[Ba Issue] Fix Your Own Problems - Stop Blaming Other People

Why don’t you forget about all that for a moment and spare a thought for the gross indignities we 'Brits' and other expats suffer every time we have to negotiate Murtallah Muhammed Airport. ...Read the...

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[Rotimi cole]

This is the behaviour of a dysfunctional misfit. He will always be in conflict with society and he will make very little contribution to society. He basically doesn’t know how to behave. He also has a diminished sense of social responsibility – not caring what damage or inconvenience he causes others in the pursuit of his own ends – as well as a diminished sense of personal responsibility – always looking for ways to place the responsibility for his problems on other people’s shoulders.

The above statement sums up the mentality of 90% of Nigerian leaders. Our fellow Africans hold us in complete contempt because of our blatant arrogance and over bloated ego. My simple advice to parents is to spend more time with their children and endeavour to bring only babies they can comfortably raise into this wicked world. The next generation deserves a chance.

Nick’s race is irrelevant. We must learn how to be our own worst critic, for us to see ourselves the way others perceive us.

Shikena

[anonimi]

Originally Posted by I Love Nigeria

FURRRK and Double FORRRK Nick Clemens and his Nigerian sympathisers!

The logical extension or extrapolation of Nick Clemens illogic is that Nigerians should endure indignities as a group and bear such with a smile, after all, things are not perfect in Nigeria!
Nigerians should no longer be entitled to fair and human treatment?

AND, some Nigerians here with damaged sense of themselves seem to be saying Amen to Nick Clemens' nonsense?

FURRRK and Double FORRRK Nick Clemens and his Nigerian sympathisers!

Paul Adujie
New York, United States

There is no such logical extension or extrapolation stated or insinuated by those who have made a balanced (two-sided, if you like) appraisal of the article.
I remember writing before I signed the BA petition that I hoped it is an indication that we are warming up to also dealing with the local oppressors in our midst-whom we all know too well- as they are no ghosts. I am happy that at least that seems to be happening albeit at a very, very slow pace.

Some rational beings have shown up at last. Thank the Lord! I can now stop reading this thread.
All hope is not lost after all. We are definitely on the right track.

[19 guy]

Lol..

Seems this BA issue would never die. Maybe it's just me but it seems Nigerians are quite racist after all, at least if you go by the responses to articles either written by, or featuring, oyinbo (if you can call an oriental dude being shielded from the burning sun by a Nigerian military personnel such).


Depressing.

[dem]

I could say to any Villager now: “Alakori” (Yeye person) and the Villager won’t take offence.

Similarly, I could say the same word and wrap it up in a discounting sneer. Ergo, the intent and context always matter.

I could pick examples throughout the article but I won’t because, frankly, I don’t have the stomach to go through it again. But one should suffice:

When someone writes that “some Minister” had discontinued his “protocol” person, I wonder whatever else people need to know.

If say a non Yoruba person plods down here and with an impish wink say that the Yorubas should smarten up on personal/environmental hygiene and talk less loudly and then the rest of the world would take them more seriously, would we all clap for that person and go home? No we won’t. Perhaps some of us should look properly between the grains as we gobble up the “truth” supposedly served us Nigerian by our revered expat here.

[sammyduyo]

Originally Posted by Balo

My friend, looks like you are having a terrible day. Did you read my post at all before you started trying to narrow it's thrust? Balo did acknowledge some of his valid points which is why I stated quite clearly that we are aware of our our many short comings and we will be working at resolving them.

The thrust of my posts in case it was lost on you is simple, he cannot expect to walk into Nigeria and be treated differentially - simple. Likewise Mr Omotade (even though he carries a British passport) should be treated in a similar way as other fare paying passengers whether British or not. Fair and equal treatment across board. Now what again is it that you fail to comprehend about that simple presentation?

Balo, No where did the author complain of not being treated like royalty! He simply has complained that how we behave at home to ourselves and to others, is below the average dictates of decency, and that might account for how Mr. Omotade was treated. Between Akuluono and Auspicious' posts, I do not think there is much more to add. Thank you again Auspicious.

[Balo]

Originally Posted by Big-K

A friend of mine was recently stopped for speeding. Of course he said it was due to the fact that he was DWB (driving while black)..My question was "Were you actually speeding?"..

Later

Once again Big-k, you've done the same thing again. Another analogy that has no bearing on the topic at hand, as I asked before, I ask again can you be kind enough to link this to the topic?.

Are you saying Ayo was crying black for being taken off the plane or that Nigerians play the victim. Whether either or neither or both, I fail to follow your reasoning. Again Sir, kindly elucidate.

[I Love Nigeria]

Those who make sundry excuses for attackers of Nigeria are not different from Nigerians who are often at their best when they castigate Nigeria in perjorative.

The way I see... average Nigerian citizen has to love and defend Nigeira...AND, if she becomes a senator, governor or president, she will do same or more... it is not the case, that a citizen suddenly love and defend or protect Nigeria because she has become a senator, governor or president.

It is the lack of love of Nigeria, that drives the moronic policies of the plunderers and looters.

Only Nigerians with damaged psyche and poor sense of self would seek to justify maltreatment of Nigerians as a group.

It takes a warped and twisted sense of self, to try to explain generalizations about Nigerians by non-Nigerians.

It is incredibly self-defeating that some Nigerians here excel only in self-denigration and disparagement... why do we ALWAYS prefer to boo our team?

[NWANZA]

Originally Posted by Robot

Why don’t you forget about all that for a moment and spare a thought for the gross indignities we 'Brits' and other expats suffer every time we have to negotiate Murtallah Muhammed Airport. ...Read the full article.

Although we agree with you 99% on fixing things like Airports, Roads, Bridges, Sewer, etc - but Britain do not offer any technical help.

Britain and the G7 are only interested in digging up oil and screwing up our land, water, air, and women.

Since we became a Democratic government in 1999, most people expected Britain to mentor the administration on a host of issues that could strenghten Nigeria.

We see a syndrome of nonchalance out of Europe towards Africa in general.

Regardless, the whole thing stinks from both sides.

[19 guy]

Originally Posted by I Love Nigeria

Only Nigerians with damaged psyche and poor sense of self would seek to justify maltreatment of Nigerians as a group.?

Who here has done this though?

Originally Posted by I Love Nigeria

It is incredibly self-defeating that some Nigerians here excel only in self-denigration and disparagement... why do we ALWAYS prefer to boo our team?

What are you on about? Are you actually responding to posts made on this thread or is this a carry-over from your pre-retirement years?

[Auspicious]

Originally Posted by Balo

Once again Big-k, you've done the same thing again. Another analogy that has no bearing on the topic at hand, as I asked before, I ask again can you be kind enough to link this to the topic?.

Are you saying Ayo was crying black for being taken off the plane or that Nigerians play the victim. Whether either or neither or both, I fail to follow your reasoning. Again Sir, kindly elucidate.

You are just as totally off the topic as the man whom you accuse of same. His analogy has no bearing on wether it was right for Ayo to be be taken off the plane as you imagined. It has more to do with the fact that the actual criticisms of the authors aren't being addressed as the motives for his launching the criticisms are.

In other words, the first question you want to ask yourself about the author is, is he right? And not react to his position by running out the door and shouting "racist!" "fool!" "ignant" etcetegbam, etcetegbim. Funny how everything you said in quotes addresses you more than anybody else, Balo. It cracked me up some..

Auspicious.

hahahahaha

We have now degenerated to the need for 'interpreters' for the 'in case you missed it'" group. Some folk on this thread really need to re-enroll inTOEFL. Test for English as a foreign language.

http://www.toeflgoanywhere.org/?utm_...B2009%20Market


Just when I thought it could not get worse. First the barage of insults, then the irrelevant off-shoots that really have nothing to do with the subject matter of this original article.

Good to know we have some from the ancient of days, who can actually think straight. I find it extremely puzzling and can't understand where some are actually coming from here, despite the precious time taken by people like Auspicious, with lengthy civil explanations for the benefit and education of all and sundry. One wonders why Nigeria still specializes in the championing of senile geriatrics in key governmental positions. I think this village suffers from the same syndrome too. We really need some potent re-vitalizing 'new blood' to maintain some form of 'logicality' around here, as well as in Nigeria.

This old skool mentality of a thing really sucks.

Nice thread.

[UncleTisha]

[IZONERE]

Originally Posted by Auspicious

+

REF. Kenn @ #21:

You need not thank me, Kenn Dear, forI was not doing you a favor worthy of any form of thanks. No, not at all. I simply sought correct your errorneous impression of my level of self-esteem. I am a proud a motherfcuker who doesn't take suffer people who over-reach themselves with me kindly. And, in my opinion, the Britisher hasn't done anything like yet.

I may not be able to say that is the case with our exchanges so far. But I ask that you let us both respect ourselves and not pretend to know how much we have in our individual resevoirs of esteem. May I also take this time out for attempting to measure your ego-level; it is not my business, but I was only responding to your pretending to know my level of self-esteem.

I may be speaking, or have spoken, from both sides of my mouth, but better my so-insinuated fake attempt at balanced reasoning, than shooting cottonlike cannons all in one direction from the mouth. There is nothing wrong with saying what anyone knows already and if people indeed know these things already, they shouldn't be making the same mistakes again and again.

We all rejoice at Omotade's triumph. That is how it should be; justice must be seen to be done everywhere. But God in heaven knows there's nothing wrong with imploring us to adopt the same no-holds-bared standards when fighting similar injustices on the home front. And if it will take a foreigner to deal us stinging sarcams to do so, then, by Ogun the Yoruba God of Iron, so be it!

Auspicious.

I'm sorry Auspy. I don't see what point you are making. We all go through the same thing at MMA so I don't know what injustice you are talking about. My bag has been searched at Heathrow before and all the contents poured out. The airport official did not pack my bag up neatly for me after they didn't find anything incriminating. So, am I supposed to cry injustice? Mind you, I didn't have any protocol officer. This man cannot claim to have been picked on bcos he's an expat. We all know that's nonsense. We suffer even worse at airports. I'm not sure where in his story you gleaned the 'fact' that he does not like using the protocol officers oh! Have you read his mind or did he PM you some extra information? The fact that they had protocol officers in the first place means that these expats are abusing the system and the Minister who ordered it to stop should be highly commended.

[RAHIM]

First of all i was'nt even keen on repying this article because it did make interesting reading and a lot of valid facts were brought up. In my humble opinions, the author got this all screwed up in three ways.

1. British Airways and BAA are two mutually exclusive entities just as Virgin Nigeria and NCAA(or whoever runs the airports this days. On one hand British Airways was the defended and other side, he was accusing the Airport authories of incompetence. Airline - Airport Authority so he situation was different and holds no basis. Both BA and BAA are private companies while NCAA is still government owned (and we all know how public utilities work esp in Nigeria).

2. Ayo Omotade was unjustifiably arrested and had his human rights trampled on by British Airways of which the Crown Courts have attested to while Nick was complaining of incompetence and corrupt practices which i am not trying to defend leading to a somewhat inconvenience. the two issues have no correlation whatsoever except airports and airplanes.

3. Reading the article most reasonable people will not read racial connotations to it but Nick felt the need to tell us about his ''black ghanian wife'' which he presented like a defence mechanisn. What is he trying to defend that he felt the need to feed us that info when it is well known that most racist(that are trying to hide) present friends, wife/husbands and adopted kids as trophies or certificates of non-racism.

Personally am not saying he is racist or not cause there is no evidence to support that but you cannot compare a human rights issue with a case of inconveniencing and that was what Mr. Nick intended to do.

[IZONERE]

Originally Posted by RAHIM

First of all i was'nt even keen on repying this article because it did make interesting reading and a lot of valid facts were brought up. In my humble opinions, the author got this all screwed up in three ways.

1. British Airways and BAA are two mutually exclusive entities just as Virgin Nigeria and NCAA(or whoever runs the airports this days. On one hand British Airways was the defended and other side, he was accusing the Airport authories of incompetence. Airline - Airport Authority so he situation was different and holds no basis. Both BA and BAA are private companies while NCAA is still government owned (and we all know how public utilities work esp in Nigeria).

2. Ayo Omotade was unjustifiably arrested and had his human rights trampled on by British Airways of which the Crown Courts have attested to while Nick was complaining of incompetence and corrupt practices which i am not trying to defend leading to a somewhat inconvenience. the two issues have no correlation whatsoever except airports and airplanes.

3. Reading the article most reasonable people will not read racial connotations to it but Nick felt the need to tell us about his ''black ghanian wife'' which he presented like a defence mechanisn. What is he trying to defend that he felt the need to feed us that info when it is well known that most racist(that are trying to hide) present friends, wife/husbands and adopted kids as trophies or certificates of non-racism.

Personally am not saying he is racist or not cause there is no evidence to support that but you cannot compare a human rights issue with a case of inconveniencing and that was what Mr. Nick intended to do.

Thank you sir, I hope the last paragraph of your post is understood by everyone! If you travel frequently, you would have been inconvenienced at airports many times over. I have all kinds of stories. Those who work at airports are often ill-educated and frankly not very bright-IN ALL COUNTRIES.

I remember once at Bangkok airport, some official insisted I should fill in some medical something something form about diseases that do not exist in the country where I have lived in the last 6 years simply because I had a Nigerian passport. The passport is not what should be important, it's where you live/where you are coming from but try telling that to Mr Bangkok Lady Boy!

[Anioma777]

@ Mr Clements

I also get harrassed at all four major London airports, so your ordeal in Nigeria is nothing new whilst I dont not condone it in any country or against any individual without "reasonable" cause. For our non-British aware members. The word 'Reasonable' to the British is something that huge funds should be allocated to,for intensive research. Raising your voice as most white British people are reserved can be seen as a threatening and violent act. As the legendary South African Steve Biko once said at another unfair trial :-

"Your honour myself and the prosecution lawyer are in confrontation with raised voices, but there is no physical violence".

Firstly since you or I where not on the plane we cannot comment on what atually happened. But as a frequent flyer and having witnessed at close eye how BA treats Nigerians, yes some Nigerians can be very unruly and irritating, but so too some of the British travellers on most of my flights from European nations constantly texting and standing up when the SEAT BELT sign is clearly on in mid air.

I do not recall on numerous posts on NVS, the majority of members blaming non-Nigerians for Nigeria's problems. So how you can equate BA's and the Gestapo MET Police RACIST and UNJUSTIFIED behaviour towards Mr Omotade and 136 passengers and Nigeria's problems is mind boggling.

I can only assume you are one of these half-baked expatriates that works in the oil field and now feels he has the intellectual capacity to tell Nigerians the obvious, unfortunately in your case very badly.I find some expats views about Nigeria very amusing. They critisize Nigeria but want to stay there to enjoy a lifestyle they can only dream of in their home country. Ironic!!!

Who cares if your wife is as black as the ace of spades or from my village, when you post articles on NVS in the future, make sure you can back up your facts and make sure there is relevance to it.

Becareful you dont get kidnapped by the militants

Imagine me posting an article saying that its white men like you that deprive me from getting a job in Nigeria. How ludicrous and stupid will that sound!!!

Anyway I am bored so this is a good way to kill time. THE FACT IS THAT ONE OF YOUR "COURTS" ( I am assuming your British, or have British blood ) AQUITTED MR AYO OMATADE and proves the unjust and racist attitudes of the Police and their cohorts BA.

[19 guy]

Originally Posted by Anioma777

@ Mr Clements


I find some expats views about Nigeria very amusing. They critisize Nigeria but want to stay there to enjoy a lifestyle they can only dream of in their home country. Ironic!!!

Don't go there.

The same thing applies, a thousandfold, to your own fellow Nigerians, so please don't embarass yourself. At least, to my knowledge, no oyinbo man has been known to fight in the process of his being deported from Nigeria.

Your country cannot even supply steady electricity.

[Onari]

Thank you auspicious...let me share some example I personally have gone through. I have stopped taking food stuff with me because of all the trouble I have to go through at Murtala Muhhamed. At Murtala Muhammed bribe is taken openly without fear of retribution...I have been to Nigeria twice this year and the situation still remain very pervasive. Please can anyone tell me any ariport in the world that they have passed through that security officials take bribe openly?

This article reminds me of my father's popular quote-God bless his soul..."he told me that the friend who is bold to tell you that your mouth stinks, go take of it or you have body odor please use deodorant is your real friend." The truth is bitter and there is nothing to defend about the behavior of our security agents and the management of Murtala Muhammed International airport.

[IZONERE]

Originally Posted by Onari

Thank you auspicious...let share some example I personally have gone through. I have stopped taking food stuff with me because of all the trouble I have to go trhough at Murtala Muhhamed. At Murtala Muhammed bribe is taken openly without fear of retribution...I have been to Nigeria twice this year and the situation still remain very pervasive.

But my dear, you are not supposed to take food stuff in the first place. You are doing something wrong yet you are complaining of those who take bribes.