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Univ. of Ibadan and the Top 200 Global Ranking

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Auspicious · Oct 10, 2006 , 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by ITSMEAGAIN

How will UNN not be a US nursery school equivalent when Obasanjo, the owner of University of Ibadan tribally concentrates in developing his place, including his own private university.

A-ha..there we go; sombodi don sh*t and fly don come do chop.

Auspicious.

Ednut · Oct 10, 2006 , 10:53 PM

Auspy,

What is your point? Do you have evidence to share with us about UI being nothing but a satellite college from 1948 till well after the establishment of THE UNIVERSITY OF NIGERIA? Mr. Phil Tam-Al made an innocent mistake and Mr Ukpabi only corrected that error before it is mistaken for the truth by the likes of you.

cdimkpa · Oct 10, 2006 , 11:17 PM

@Docokwy,

Hmm!

You got my article right on the spot. I humbly think it is relevant in the foregoing discussion. Given the current situation, I am afraid I have to say that as far as I am concerned, any present-day Nigerian student who does not have at least one of their degrees from outside Nigeria (actually from any of the univs. on the ranking) is ''going out of contention''. This thought will continue until things are put back right. Perhaps, 2007 and beyond can make the difference.

Out of the poor state of Nigeria's present-day education still shines some bright stars making waves outside of the country.

Auspicious · Oct 11, 2006 , 01:11 AM

Originally Posted by Ednut

Auspy,

What is your point? Do you have evidence to share with us about UI being nothing but a satellite college from 1948 till well after the establishment of THE UNIVERSITY OF NIGERIA? Mr. Phil Tam-Al made an innocent mistake and Mr Ukpabi only corrected that error before it is mistaken for the truth by the likes of you.

"What is my point"? My point is simple: people who have not stated their facts - in this case, facts supported by dates etc - have NO business reprimanding or educating others on how to "get (their) facts right". And the sooner they accept such an obvious "truth" about their gaffe, the better for them. Period. You must also confirm that Mr. Alalibo accepts that he made an "honest mistake" before you pin it on him, for I am yet to see anything like that from him.

May I add, anyways, that it is pure sensationalism - pure exergerration - for anyone, Pukpabi included, to tie "the advance(ment) of Nigeria from the primitive stage" down to issues like 'which university between UNN and UI qualifies for the term "premier university"'. How simplistic! Of course, it is only someone who sees every statement or happenstance from an ethnic point of view that will find the aforementioned issue a threat to the progress of a nation. That is not just simplistic reasoning, it is a pathetically simplistic reasoning!

Since the preachers of facts and truths have refused to practise what they preach, like supplying facts and dates, I bring to the Village Square what I was able to find out from the official website of the University of Nigeria, Nsukka and the official website of University of Ibadan, Nigeria.

According to the history section of the official UNN website, "The University was formally opened on 7th October 1960, as the climax to the Nigerian independence celebrations in the Eastern Region" and "Classes began on 17th October 1960 with an enrolment of 220 students and 13 members of the academic staff". On the other hand, the history section of the UI website says "The University College, Ibadan, was founded in 1948." It goes on to say that "the 104 foundation students (including 49 students in teacher training and survey courses) began their courses at Ibadan, on 18 January, 1948. It also states that "In February, 1948, London University allowed Ibadan its special relationship scheme."

Although the univeristy was not autnomous before 1962, the above shows that the UI was NOT affiliated with UC London before February of 1948. Does it also not mean, just like they did in Nsukka, that Nigerians came up with the idea of a University to be situated in Ibadan (as revealed on the same website)? The website also reveals that "While the British government, the Cocoa Marketing Board, the Nuffield Foundation, the United African Company, and other interested bodies inside and outside Nigeria made generous contributions towards the funding of capital projects, the brunt of the recurrent expenditure fell on the Nigerian government". That alone proves the University is a Nigerian university more than anything else.

Whatever the case may be, the FACTS/TRUTHS are: the University College, Ibadan was the first university SITUATED IN Nigeria, RUN BY Nigerians and FUNDED BY the Government of Nigeria. If that does not describe "premier university" enough, I don't know what else can. And that is my last word on that. I leave you fellows who are always angry about one thing or the other but refuse to do anything about your anger (but choose to engage in unnecessary ethnic revisionism to "massage their egos"[Respects, Abraxas]) to ruminate on that.

Auspicious.

Ednut · Oct 11, 2006 , 01:48 AM

Auspy,

Where do you get the ethnic part of which university was the premier nigerian University?

University of Ibadan
The University of Ibadan is Nigeria's oldest university, and is located five miles (8 kilometres) from the centre of the major city of Ibadan in Western Nigeria. It has over 12,000 students.

The University was founded on its own site on 17 November 1948, although the first students had begun courses in January of that year. Arthur Creech Jones, then Secretary of State for the Colonies, inaugurated the new educational institution. The University was originally instituted as an independent external college of the University of London. Some of the original buildings were designed by the English modernist architects Maxwell Fry and Jane Drew. A 500-bed teaching hospital was added in 1957. Ibadan became an independent university in 1962.

http://www.answers.com/topic/university-of-ibadan

University of Nigeria
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The University of Nigeria is a university situated in the town Nsukka. It was founded by Dr. Benjamin Nnamdi Azikiwe, the first president of Nigeria. It is the first indigenous university established in Nigeria.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Nigeria

The Nursery School. http://www.unn-edu.net/

Exxcuzme · Oct 11, 2006 , 02:00 AM

According to Obafemi Awolowo in his "Path to Nigeria Independent" he stated that Zik newspaper would published a profile of an Ndigbo that graduated from so so and so University and he has to come up with a Yoruba that graduated with a similar or better degree or better university. In their competion they used their resources to send many of their kinsmen abroad to acquire skills. Whether they know it or not, the competition was a good human investment that produced those that made UNN and UI great institution of yesteryears

While both Zik and Awo were on ego trip showcasing their tribal supremacy in a fruitful competitio,n Upkabi the J.D and Auspicious the Yoruba defender, are fighting jedijedi issue....UI ko UNN ni.

If you guys want to show real supremacy, start donating your hard earned dollars to those Universities to make them better and try to beat each other to see which one will be the first highly ranked. This was what Zik and Awo did that made Nigeria produced highly educated and skilled citizens. Stop engaging in yeye non-issue as what University is the premier or not. Let the debate center on why and who comatose those great universities.

Exxcuzme · Oct 11, 2006 , 02:21 AM

Auspicious thanks for providing the links to the official websites of UI and UNN.

However, with all the illustrious and billionaires that passed thru those instituitions these are what first class universities website should look like? Miss Planet says she has seen better nursery schools and I concur.

Whoa! Nsukka cannot paint the entrace to the university? What about all the dirt roads all over the campus? Upkabi, u need to help them out o!

UI probably hid their yansh well well because they did not show any buildings or dirt roads except "assembly halls" with the Owambe people which is not much.

The websites clearly shows how discrepit these institutions have become.

Na wa O!

Unregistre · Oct 11, 2006 , 02:41 AM

I hope the likes of Neop would come and tell you guys how good nigerian universities are, and how nigeria happen to have the largest number of PHD holders in the United States. crap...

Auspicious · Oct 11, 2006 , 02:46 AM

Originally Posted by Unregistre

I hope the likes of Neop would come and tell you guys how good nigerian universities are, and how nigeria happen to have the largest number of PHD holders in the United States. crap...

LOL!

Someone once told me that in Nigerian universities, you learn better because it is harder - unlike 'abroad' where it is all cake and milk. Err..how true is that? Personally, I don't think it should come as a surprise to anyone that we failed to make any list - even in Africa.

Auspicious.

emj · Oct 11, 2006 , 02:50 AM

Originally Posted by Exxcuzme

According to Obafemi Awolowo in his "Path to Nigeria Independent" he stated that Zik newspaper would published a profile of an Ndigbo that graduated from so so and so University and he has to come up with a Yoruba that graduated with a similar or better degree or better university. In their competion they used their resources to send many of their kinsmen abroad to acquire skills. Whether they know it or not, the competition was a good human investment that produced those that made UNN and UI great institution of yesteryears

While both Zik and Awo were on ego trip showcasing their tribal supremacy in a fruitful competitio,n Upkabi the J.D and Auspicious the Yoruba defender, are fighting jedijedi issue....UI ko UNN ni.

If you guys want to show real supremacy, start donating your hard earned dollars to those Universities to make them better and try to beat each other to see which one will be the first highly ranked. This was what Zik and Awo did that made Nigeria produced highly educated and skilled citizens. Stop engaging in yeye non-issue as what University is the premier or not. Let the debate center on why and who comatose those great universities.

@ excuzme
I hear you ojare, they shld put their money where their mouth is.

@ Auspy
Gba brake, Excuzme was very correct in his assertion, you guys left the main issue, and started rugaying , this is not an ethno-tribal issue like your usual siamese twins would want us to think.........what we should look at, or rather talk about is, when and how did our Unis digenerate to the point of not being listed amongst even the top 20 talkless of the top100, and ways and means to saving them................all dis ngbati ngbati and kwuenu irredentists..........

Even self, i fit put am for Wikipedia say the University of Atakumosa bi the Premier University, make una come somersault becos of am, or matchete each other.........

Unregistre · Oct 11, 2006 , 02:52 AM

Originally Posted by Exxcuzme

According to Obafemi Awolowo in his "Path to Nigeria Independent" he stated that Zik newspaper would published a profile of an Ndigbo that graduated from so so and so University and he has to come up with a Yoruba that graduated with a similar or better degree or better university. In their competion they used their resources to send many of their kinsmen abroad to acquire skills. Whether they know it or not, the competition was a good human investment that produced those that made UNN and UI great institution of yesteryears

Please mention the name of one person who went to school from the pocket of Awo or Zik outside their immediate famillies, because I do not know any. I do not believe that in this 21st century people are still so gullible not to realize that these two people were the architect of all the problem we have in Nigeria today; Nigerian founding fathers sowed bad seeds all over the place; they laid a very bad foundation, not surprised that those that came after them try to outdo them in everything.

Unregistre · Oct 11, 2006 , 03:04 AM

Originally Posted by Auspicious

LOL!

Someone once told me that in Nigerian universities, you learn better because it is harder - unlike 'abroad' where it is all cake and milk. Err..how true is that? Personally, I don't think it should come as a surprise to anyone that we failed to make any list - even in Africa.

Auspicious.

I actually started a discussion on Nigerians and paper qualifications at NDC in those days; man, they cursed the %#%#%#%# out of me; some claimed I attended a two year community college that was why I did not know the value of nigerian universities; seems to me from this rankings that even two year community colleges would be ranked higher than any nigerian university. Well the first step towards solving a problem is realizing there is a problem; I hope we are at that stage right now, then we would think of the next step.

Auspicious · Oct 11, 2006 , 03:04 AM

Originally Posted by emj

@ excuzme@ Auspy
Gba brake, Excuzme was very correct in his assertion, you guys left the main issue, and started rugaying , this is not an ethno-tribal issue like your usual siamese twins would want us to think.........what we should look at, or rather talk about is, when and how did our Unis digenerate to the point of not being listed amongst even the top 20 talkless of the top100, and ways and means to saving them................all dis ngbati ngbati and kwuenu irredentists..........
Even self, i fit put am for Wikipedia say the University of Atakumosa bi the Premier University, make una come somersault becos of am, or matchete each other.........

Iya Afin mi EMJ, ebo a fin o!

Me ah kuku no talk notin, until I see am po Pukpabi wey dey vex say Dr Phil no get eim facts right. Na eim I con tak say make ein sef shill - say mak ein no begin dey cry dey protect teritori hia o jare.

Na ein ah con take style step-aside small like Badamasi, say di fact wey ein dey talk sef, ein no gree put show all.

Wetin consign me weda na UI last reach Naija sef? Me I don komot leaf dem to dey wiki and askdrjeeves ojare.

Auspicious.

Auspicious · Oct 11, 2006 , 03:15 AM

Originally Posted by Unregistre

I actually started a discussion on Nigerians and paper qualifications at NDC in those days; man, they cursed the %#%#%#%# out of me; some claimed I attended a two year community college that was why I did not know the value of nigerian universities; seems to me from this rankings that even two year community colleges would be ranked higher than any nigerian university. Well the first step towards solving a problem is realizing there is a problem; I hope we are at that stage right now, then we would think of the next step.

Hehe! One-day, one-day, we'o reach dat levo. Is it not Obugi who says "dream big"? Maybe not. I know his more popular mantra is "Get Yours".

Anyhow, we first gats to do away with too much tribal sensitivity - the type that drove some people to sharply reprimand people like Mr Phil Alalibor, that he should "get your facts right".

It is unfortunate that that was the ONLY thing that Mr. Ukpabi found worthy to comment upon throughout the piece delivered by Phil. But then again, we know such is typical of him and his crew of attention seekers.

Auspicious.

segun · Oct 11, 2006 , 06:15 AM

How possible is that ???
Top 100 or 200.. I dey laugh so tey I want die .. Is it by yams or potato or by student population ....
The basic things I know that are needed are not available .. A very good and qualitative infratsructure vis - a vis online awareness and education, quality staff and what is being taught at school, relevance to the 21st century not 19th of 20th century as we have in Nigeria(No labs nor up-to- date library )...
As at the last rankings the highest ranked african school is in SA while next 12 is also in SA and ranked between 500 to 1000 in the world ....
Hw can a Nigerian university be in that category .. Not possible at the moment
I used to be a LASUITE in Epe where I was studying ECE (Electronics and computer engineering ) in 02' 03 .. We have nothing in our labs and it is upside down (books of 50's 60's 70's).. Before God butter my bread and my Papa fit pay make I come study IT in australia... There are heaps of differences

I rest my case

Omovudu · Oct 11, 2006 , 06:53 AM

All of una yab wey dey argue whether na UI or UNN be "premier". To continue to dwell in the past is to ignore the present and tarnish the future". where are they now and this was the import of the article in the first place before Ukpabi (who I thought once said he was done with the villagesquare) brought the "irridentist" angle (to use Gwobe's term).

UNN no fit tar the entrance road and the gate kpa kpa be like 1960 secondary school gate. It is embarrasing and all those who attended this school should rise up and do something about it.

One of the main issues why we are not currently being favourably ranked is not only because of the state of the knowledge of science and technology (after all there are studies in the humanities and social sciences which are relatively recent). It is because we have woefully failed in communicating our level of knowledge. The use of the internet is key in getting information to the world so that those involved in ranking can make an informed judgement. I think I once read that the NUC is taking this up.

Finally if we must reverse the ugly trend (especially in science) in our universities, we must specialise and not be jack of all trades and then price University education for what it is. This must be even if the likes of NLC do not want to see reason (otherwise they would not be fighing Oby Ezewkwesili in her bid to rescusitate the unity secondary schools with public/private partnerships). University education is not free anywhere in the world and is not meant for everybody. We cannot continue to pay peanuts and expect to move forward in technological advancement which is costly and we cannot expect the government to do better (when it could not supply ordinary electric power). This is the lesson the Covenant Universities of our country are teaching us. Give the private universities 3 to 5 years and they would begin to rank in the global (at least African) list, while the UI Ibadan and UI Nsukka and UI Lagos (for those of you who remember Barkin Zuwo) continue to regale in the past talking of premier university.

Express don leave all of them and I sorry for people wey never see say train don take off for university education in Nigeria.

IZONERE · Oct 14, 2006 , 12:31 AM

Hallo Mr Paschal Ukpabi JD.

I know this reply is a few days late but I just can't resist it. You may be right that UI awarded degrees from the University of London but that doesn't make it any less a university. The University of London is a degree awarding body with many top univesities under it including Imperial College, Kings College and University College, London. All these unis award Univ. of London(UL) degrees but they enjoy full university status. The reason why they do not award degrees is historical and has nothing to do with their capacity or ability. Back in the day, only catholic universities were allowed to award degrees and so these universities had to be called colleges. Since UI was not a catholic university and Nigeria was a British colony, it had to follow suit. Most of the universities under UL are actually bigger than UL itself and are not campuses of UL at all. In fact, some of them have several campuses under their belt. UL itself, is simply an administrative body with 20 colleges & institutes under it but they govern themselves fully. So, you are very wrong. University of Ibadan was the premier university in Nigeria.

planet1899 · Oct 14, 2006 , 03:40 AM

Well said, Zionere. Very articulate and on the point. How can UNN be the premier campus in light of these facts? Thanks again for explaining it well.

pukpabi · Oct 15, 2006 , 09:04 PM

Folks,

I will continue to "teach" those who do not know. Noise making is no fact. Will never be.

My question is; when was the University of Ibadan chartered as a Nigerian University? When was UNN chartered as a Nigerian University?

The University of Ibadan was University College, Ibadan when UNN was chatered. It was part of the British University in London. The last time I checked, London was not part of Nigeria. Nigeria was not even independent in 1948; she was a British territory, so what is the basis of your argument.

I will reiterate this: The first Nigerian University chartered in Nigeria is the UNN, period. Therefore, it is the nation's premier University. Premier means first, isn't it? At the time it was chartered in Nigeria, UI was a branch of London.

Paschal Ukpabi, J.D.
Michigan, USA