Teenage Criminals in the UK:Capital Punishment is the ONLY way out!

[WaleAkin]

I hereby challenge anyone to a debate on this topical issue presently rocking the UK at the moment.

The level of crimes perpetrated by teenagers have risen drastically in the last 6 years with atleast a stabbed to death victim once in 2 weeks and the heinous crime committed by an under-age.

Teenagers engage in yobbish behavioural attitudes and ASBOs used as deterrent measures are not working again.

They engage in binge drinking and drink fuelled behaviours sky-rocket into full blown gang wars.

They mug at random and for the flimsiest of effects(Mobile Phones), they stab with any object in sight.............even with a bottle, screw-driver and pencils (Damilola Taylor)

Adults who tried correcting them are kicked to death(Gary Newlove) and siblings who engage them trying to save their relatives are fatally stabbed( Rob Knox)

They settle street related boyish fights with skulls blasted with short guns!!

The Metropolitan Police are confused and the earlier they get their acts together the better!

The Way out!

My argument on this discourse will be based on the following:

1. What are the root causes?

2. Who are to be blamed?

3. Whats the social angle to this crimes committed by these children?

4. Is capital punishment the way out? I am of the opinion that the UK prison system has lost its steam.(If a teenager is found guilty of stabbing to death of another teenager, the former should be lethally injected and/or gassed to death or even killed by a firing squad!!

5. The whole Police network should be revamped.

6. Teenagers should begin to take responsibility for their negative acts!!

Eagerly awaiting the opposition pls!

[lizmoses]

WaleAkin,

I would love to know your exact position and decide if I can pick up the challenge. It's been long I had a real good one on one debate.

If going by your title means you are for, then let's see if I can be on the queue with those who stand to oppose, if I am selected by you, fine!

As a notice, if chosen, I will appreciate agreed timely responses all calculated into fixed round-off date, not more than 10days, I believe we can project whatever point we wish to by then.

Many thanks

Liz Moses

[WaleAkin]

Originally Posted by LizMoses

If going by your title means you are for, then let's see if I can be on the queue with those who stand to oppose, if I am selected by you, fine!

Yeah, I am for pls-This response sounds more like an Ijebu dialect!

I shall propose in the course of this debate that teenage criminals if found guilty of murder charges should be killed-Finito!! A strong measure you'd say.

Originally Posted by LizMoses

As a preamble, if chosen, I will appreciate agreed timely responses all calculated into fixed round-off date, not more than 10days, I believe we can project whatever point we wish to by then.

10 day discourse is very okay! Lets scout for a Moderator today pls.

Once we get a Moderator, i shall deliver my first round of argument

1. What are the root causes?

[mulan]

I would like to moderate if that's OK with both of you.

I have to disclose that though I am on the side of an eye for a premeditated eye, I wonder why Wale thinks capital punishment should be restricted to teenage murderers. IMHO, most teenage crime are those of passion and their age begs a more lenient sentence. Thus on this topic, I find myself at a crossroads and would find a dispassionate debate highly interesting even if I am not chosen as moderator.

All the best to both of you and looking forward to an interesting exchange ...

[WaleAkin]

Mulan,

Thanks! I have no probs with you being the moderator, lets wait for LizMoses' response

Yes, you are very correct, capital punishment for all murder charges! That will also be included in my submissions.

Off now to go get my first submission ready.

[WaleAkin]

FIRST SUBMISSION: ROOT CAUSES & WHO TO BLAME

The spate of killings by (Knives, bottles and screwdrivers, gun shots and bludgeoning) rose heavily in the last 10 years but for the concise purpose of this debate, i shall limit myself extensively to the murder cases that have rocked the capital city, London within the past six months. Let’s name them in chronological order:

Henry Bolombi, 17, died from a single stab wound to the chest on January 1. He was attacked as he walked home in Edmonton, north London, after celebrating New Year.

Faridon Alizada, 18, of Bexley, south-east London, died on January 5 from three stab wounds to the chest. He was attacked in Verona House, a tower block in Erith.

Boduka Mudianga, 18, died in a street brawl in Silver street, Edmonton, north London, on January 21. He was stabbed.

Fuad Buraleh, 19, of Hayes, Middlesex, died from a head injury on January 26 after being beaten minutes after getting off a bus in Dean Gardens, Uxbridge Road, Ealing.

Sunday Essiet, 15, died from a stab wound after being attacked following a row between groups of youths in Invermore Place, Woolwich, on February 19.

Tung Le, 17, of Deptford, south-east London, was attacked during a row outside a nightclub in Cockspur Street. He died from a stab wound on February 23.

Ofiyke Nmezu, 16, known as Iyke, of Edmonton, suffered a head injury in an attack with a brick on February 15. Two weeks later he went to hospital where he died from a skull fracture on February 29.

Michael Jones, 18, died from severe head injuries and a stab wound to the chest after being attacked by an intruder at his home in Stanley Road, Edmonton on March 13.

Nicholas Clarke, 19, died from a gunshot wound to the head after a shooting at the Myatts Field Estate, Brixton, on March 14.

Devoe Roach, 17, died after apparently being stabbed in the chest in Stamford Hill, north London, on March 27.

Amro Elbadawi, 14, of West Kilburn, died from a stab wound after being knifed in Queen's Park, west London, on March 27.

Lyle Tulloch, 15, from Peckham, south London, was fatally stabbed in a stairway of a block of flats on May 3.

Jimmy Mizen, 16, was attacked with a shard of glass in a bakery in Lee, south-east London, on May 10.

Rob Knox, 18, died on Saturday, May 24, after being stabbed outside a bar in Sidcup.

Sharmaarke Hassan, 17, died in hospital on Wednesday, May 28, after being shot in the head in Camden, north London on May 24

Arsema Dawit, 15, who was wearing her school uniform was found stabbed to death 10 times yesterday 2nd of June 2008 at about 3:45pm inside a lift in a block of flats on Baylis Road, Waterloo, London

The afore-mentioned deaths have striking similarities in age bracket, murder weapons and motives: It has become a norm amongst our teenagers to kill and/or maim at the slightest opportunity. Police and news reports also have it these pre-meditated murders are even recorded on Mobile phones and loaded onto social websites and shown to other youths at schools’ play grounds!

For the benefits of this topical discourse, I’d want to look at some basic definitions as listed below:

Who is a child? A person between birth and puberty/A person who has not attained maturity or the age of legal majority.

Who is a Teenager? A person between the ages of 13 and 19; an adolescent/ A juvenile between the onset of puberty and maturity

These definitions are acceptable worldwide and so i am of the opinion that if we do not nip this social anomaly in the bud, we may at the end of the day have all our teenagers killed in one swoop but who do we blame? Lets start with the family!

A family is a fundamental social group in society typically consisting of one or two parents and their children. I submit without fear that majority of parents here in the UK are not responsible at all! I see alot of teenagers:

1. At corner shops smoking cigarettes and Marijuana with cans of beers littering the immediate environs,

2. These children walk about on the high streets late in the night in groups and with their jackets hoods on!

3. They ride Mopeds, motor cycles and bicyles at break neck speed across streets most especially in the South-East, West and East areas of London.

4. They paint public and residential buildings with obscene grafittis, they cause mayhem to local public bus drivers.

5. They throw negative jibes at you when asked for money and you dont give!

6. They engage in what is termed HAPPY SLAPPING- They choose their victim at random and slap, kick, mob him/her while the action is being recorded on mobile phones!!

What about these unwarranted and unprovoked attacks?

1. A family Man who played tennis with his Son at Erith play ground in Kent was pelted with stones to death for no reason!

2. A newly qualified Barrister who walked from the tube station to his flat in Chelsea, London was knifed to death by two youths who mugged him for his mobile phone and laptop!

3. Gary Newlove, a Father of four kids challenged some youths in his neighbourhood for negative attitudes as they went about causing damage to parked vehicles, he was kicked and stamped to death.

All these again caused by criminals in their teen age! Parents are meant to be role models to their children, once a negative attitude is noticed, it should be nipped in the bud instantly which brings me to the issue of corporal punishment: We grew up in Nigeria:

1. With our parents beating us when we erred.

2. We stooped for minutes with one leg raised up,

3. They disgraced us in the presence of visitors and in public places.

4. They punished us very well by not buying the our desired chritmas gifts.

5. The promises of gifts are not fulfilled when we failed our promotional examinations

6. We even get corrected and/or beaten by relatives, teachers, neighbours and well-wishers!!

All these and many more cemented our formative years and built up positive psyche in us as children, it was then indeed a shock to me when i relocated to the UK some years back and discovered that its more or less not permitted to beat your own children or even correct other children that are not yours biologically! Teachers at schools ask/teach/tell these children to report any form of beating which has been legally termed as domestic abuse to relevant authorities: They also teach these children to dial emergency numbers when they are abused(beaten)!!!

I am not ashamed to state on the pages of the web and would eagerly await the arrival of the police and social services at my residence that i beat my boys when they misbehave. We had a stop-over on the M1 at a service station this past bank holiday on our way to Leeds to see an old family friend and my second son messed up big time just because i asked him to stop running around the service station for his own safety! Typical Ondo Boy that he is:He started throwing tantrums and poured his lunch on the floor, i instantly held him by the collar and whacked his bumbum heavily in a staccato of palm lashes, everybody stood at attention and looked in our direction: We spent another 45 minutes there and expected the politically correct audience to call the Police: No one came to arrest me!! Train up your Child and he will give you rest and happiness!

I humbly posit that unless we revisit the policies on corporal punishment, lift the latent ban on the correction/beating of children and engage all parents on the positive need to stand up to their nuclear responsibilities, this ugly trend will continue for a very long time!

[lizmoses]

This is not a submission but a response due:

Mulan, you are very much welcome to moderate and you are in fact an able moderator.

Kindly set the timings ahead and let us agree on convenience, we already agreed on max 10days. I propose a 10 hourly response intervals, that way if we choose to we can have 24responses - 10 from Wale and 10 from myself - excluding submission and conclusion

As usual, see if you can help us with another thread for our very dear supporters. "No man is an island..." and to this end I ask for those who wish to join me in opposing WaleAkin's "motion of death penalty". I will need every available point to counter this and to restrict his sword to its sheath. I plead with you to kindly post your few lined points (makes it easier for me to read and develop upon with the set time)

Disclosure

I will like to say before hand that I believe in the Law of Karma - Every action generates a force of energy that returns to us in like kind...what we sow is what we reap. This is not to say I believe in effecting Capital Punishment into the legal system for children and Teenagers (to stay in line with this debate). To me what goes round always find its own way of coming round and I will rather allow the natural law to effect it than be a party to ending another's life.
I however do not in any way support the gruesome nature some children and teenagers have suddenly developed the world over particularly in UK.
(This is a personal opinion)

It is therefore necessary to state at this point that with regards this particular debate, every point sort to buttress my opposition should be treated strictly as "Opposition Points" not Liz Moses' opinion to be quoted for use at other times.
I will also appreciate that questions such as "What if it happens to your own child?" would not come up, it can be reframed as "I hope it does not happen to any of our children" and the message would still have been passed across.

I look forward to a wonderful time, thanks.


PREAMBLE

Exactly a week today, I was on my way home from a prayer meeting and we started a discussion on the need to pray for the children and teenagers that the City of London is breeding these days, what with the daily sad news of a life being cut short? Someone unexpectedly replied "it is because they have not started killing them, once they start killing the murderers, all these would stop!" Shocked to the marrow I was, if a law was to be promulgated and these young ones have to face the hangman's noose, how will they have the opportunity to repent and give their lives?

Today, I woke up to read another call to debate, "we must kill them, kill them, kill them!!!" On getting to the scene, it was WaleAkin sounding the gong, clamouring for the heads of these little ones.

I said to myself, Liz, it is time you spoke out to oppose these men before their voices are recognised.

For this sole reason, I stand before you all.




P.S.

WaleAkin, expect my submission at 7.20p.m (NVS time) if you and Mulan agree to set 10 hours interval.

[WaleAkin]

Liz,

If i have your response at 19:20GMT, then mine would come at 05:20GMT- Thats the break of dawn!! Ok, no probs at all!

I expect ur submission!

[mulan]

Lizmoses, WaleAkin,

1. This is now the main thread and another thread for the audience is in the parallel section of the crucible. All other commentators are to post on the parallel thread.

2. Since you have both agreed 10 days, that is OK with me but I will prefer to leave the limit for replies at 24 rather than 10 hours to take care of any real life delays.

3. There would therefore be a maximum of 10 posts altogether or minimum of 5 posts each plus conclusions.

4. Liz, It has been agreed by all relevant parties that opinions expressed in the crucible by main debaters are just for the sake of argument. Any references outside the crucible should be ignored or the person referred to the rules of the crucible if deemed to be ignorant of them.

5. I would also like to remind your opponent and yourself, that there should be no personal references either to self or to the other. In the light of this, I would urge WaleAkin to edit the second to last paragraph of his last post and use a different example. This is however, not compulsory.

Finally,

Lizmoses, your primary opposition post is expected within the next 24 hours. Thanks...

[lizmoses]

Wale, we go by Madam Moderator's rules so expect my submission by 13:20 GMT tomorrow.

Thanks.

[lizmoses]

TEENAGE CRIMINALS IN THE UK: CAPITAL PUNISHMENT IS NOT THE WAY OUT

Honourable Moderator, Distinguished Villagers, I stand to oppose the motion led by WaleAkin that the only medium of eradicating crimes committed by Teenagers in the UK is by outrightly sentencing them to death.

Going by the definition of crime “an act or the commission of an act that is forbidden or the omission of a duty that is commanded by a public law and that makes the offender liable to punishment by that law”, I find it laughable that if Mr Motion Mover had the opportunity of sitting on the exalted seat of justice, he would by now be close to wiping out the future generation. I will plead that he tempers justice with mercy and limit his motion to Teenage Murder Criminals.

I will however argue against that motion from these points of views:

Capital Punishment contradicts ecumenical testimony and violates the criminal’s right to life;

Man is by nature an animal, there is need for effective social and political system to curb his animalistic instincts;

History of pre-abolition of Capital punishment in Britain for Children under 16 and later under 18 showed that it never did eradicate the Teenage Murder Crimes;

Because not all murders are intentional, there are cases where the actus reus (physical act) can truly be established but the mens rea (criminal intent) cannot be established;

Man is fallible and cases in hand have established that certain teenage criminals condemned to hanging were later found to be innocent of the crime, unfortunately though, it was too late.

I ask, should the judge and jury be sentenced to death?


While I share the plight and agony of families of victims of teenage murderers in UK, I believe there are ways of effecting gradual cleansing of the society of this seemingly anomaly and changing the mindset of our future generation. These I will propose after I have had the chance to elaborate on the above submissions.

Thank you

[mulan]

Liz,

Do we expect another post where you flesh out some of the points mentioned above before Wale's response? I would like to suggest that Wale goes ahead with his next post and we continue thus;

1. His next post will not address yours but complete his proposition with the remaining four points.

3. Whats the social angle to this crimes committed by these children?

4. Is capital punishment the way out?

5. The whole Police network should be revamped.

6. Teenagers should begin to take responsibility for their negative acts!!

2. You will then submit your complete evidence based opposition post on the following points.

Capital Punishment contradicts ecumenical testimony ...;

Man is by nature an animal, there is need for effective social and political system ...;

History of pre-abolition of Capital punishment in Britain for Children under 16 ...; why

Because not all murders are intentional, ...;

Man is fallible and in cases...were later found to be innocent of the crime, ...

Thereafter the response posts would commence. What do you guys think? If you both agree then Wale's next submissions should be in between now and 10pm. After that we will go by the max 24 hours interval earlier agreed for responses.

Cheers...

[WaleAkin]

Second Submission: The Social Angle

There are so many couples who are divorced right now and this is a big shame to the marriage institution. It’s the usual norm in the UK to be a single parent and this is prevalent amongst the women, they live alone with their children after divorcing the Husband and Father of the kids. At the flimsiest of excuse, a typical UK based Lady dials the emergency number and the police comes rushing and before you know it: the hubby is perimetered in all directions and the kids sat right in the lounge looking at the scene, a chunky percentage of children here in the UK live without their fathers under the same roof as they are majorly catered for by their Mothers, a gross social anomaly!!

A deep introspection at teenage criminals who have been charged over these spates of murders are predominantly from broken homes and this calls for serious concern. Why would a teenager carry knives and guns with intent to kill and/or cause grievous bodily harm? In the last two years, the Police in conjunction with the Prime Minister’s office had carried out two nationwide amnesties on guns and knives and you’d be shocked at the arsenal reportedly brought by these teenagers: A Sky News report once said that an Officer on duty at Brixton police station nearly fainted when a 16 year old boy walked into the Station during the amnesty period to drop a rocket propelled grenade!

These amnesties are not working as we still have a large cache of arms in the community and i had a serious sober reflection when i watched the Metropolitan Police boss on TV last week as he confirmed officially that most of the knives retrieved at murder scenes in the last two years are kitchen knives: So the teenagers actually pick these knives from their kitchen to go kill a fellow teenager? They settle differences from the schools’ playgrounds on the streets to their respective homes: Billy Cox was gunned down in his home in Streatham, London because he had a previous altercation with another pupil: they trailed him home that afternoon and shot him dead in bed.

The Police treat these teenagers with kids' gloves and so also the schools they attend, these teenagers should be made to face the due actions of their bad behaviour and sing the music all alone: No one is safe in the UK anymore, you see them at shopping malls, communal playgrounds, public buses, etal, the management of BLUEWATER SHOPPING MALL stood up against these criminals when it banned any youth within the mall in hooded tops! The entire UK was shocked when a Mother gave up her sons to the police: She had heard them discussed in hush tones their near death criminal activities the past night when they had gone into a bar in the neighbourhood and under the usual influence of alcohol attacked a Man in an unprovoked manner blinding his right eye and needing 18 stitches all over his body. The boys are presently serving a 2 year jail term: Now this is my strong beef:

1. What’s the intent when you carry a knife? Are knives toys that you play with?

2. What’s the intent when you stab a victim in the upper torso of the body?

3. What’s the intent when you stab a victim with a shad of glass to the Jugular?

4. What’s the intent when you stab a 10 year old Boy with a broken beer bottle and also put a marble ball in his mouth?

5. What’s the intent when a group of lousy louts kick a victim to death?: Post mortem showed broken ribs, fractured skull and lacerated lungs!

6. What's the intent when a teenager microwave a live cat?

All these happened in the UK! What we need are:

1. A cemented nuclear family where good values are taught.

2. Practical parents who teaches good morals and practise such.

3. Zero tolerant schools with vibrant disciplinary measures.

[lizmoses]

TEENAGE CRIMINALS IN THE UK: CAPITAL PUNISHMENT IS NOT THE WAY OUT

Moderator, Distinguished Ladies and Gentlemen, I wish to reiterate my position that Capital Punishment is not and should not be encouraged as an answer to the problem of Youth (Teenage) Crime in the UK.

Here is a dissection of Mr Motion Mover's first and second submissions:

Tung Le, 17, of Deptford, south-east London, was attacked during a row outside a nightclub in Cockspur Street. He died from a stab wound on February 23.

NEWS HEADLINE - FACT

Rob Knox, 18, died on Saturday, May 24, after being stabbed outside a bar in Sidcup.

NEWS HEADLINE - FACT

I submit without fear that majority of parents here in the UK are not responsible at all! I see alot of teenagers:

1. At corner shops smoking cigarettes and Marijuana with cans of beers littering the immediate environs,

2. These children walk about on the high streets late in the night in groups and with their jackets hoods on!

3. They ride Mopeds, motor cycles and bicyles at break neck speed across streets most especially in the South-East, West and East areas of London.

4. They paint public and residential buildings with obscene grafittis, they cause mayhem to local public bus drivers.

5. They throw negative jibes at you when asked for money and you dont give!

6. They engage in what is termed HAPPY SLAPPING- They choose their victim at random and slap, kick, mob him/her while the action is being recorded on mobile phones!!

WaleAkin's first submission - FACT

1. What’s the intent when you carry a knife? Are knives toys that you play with?

2. What’s the intent when you stab a victim in the upper torso of the body?

3. What’s the intent when you stab a victim with a shad of glass to the Jugular?

4. What’s the intent when you stab a 10 year old Boy with a broken beer bottle and also put a marble ball in his mouth?

5. What’s the intent when a group of lousy louts kick a victim to death?: Post mortem showed broken ribs, fractured skull and lacerated lungs!

6. What's the intent when a teenager microwave a live cat?

All these happened in the UK!

WaleAkin's query to which I answer: NO INTENT AT ALL

You will all agree with me distinguished Ladies and Gentlemen that WaleAkin himself has succeeded in establishing the connection between teenage crimes and abuse of drugs and alcohol.

Apart from the fact that the two cases cited above happened in an environment where the teenagers involved could have acted under the influence of alcohol, he has also said he is a witness to numerous cases of broken homes and neglected children who grow into wild teenagers and for reasons of need for association start to gang up in large numbers to smoke cigarettes, marijuana and lavishly drink cans of beer - you all know the effect of heartbreaks, depression, smoking, drinking and drug abuse.

As earlier said when I placed my submissions before you, NOT ALL MURDERS ARE INTENTIONAL and I am happy Mr Motion Mover supports me on that position. The following definitions will establish that these cases are very hardly murder cases rather "manslaughter"According to the legal dictionary "Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without malice or premeditation, either express or implied; distinguished from murder, which requires malicious intent.

The distinctions between manslaughter and murder, consists in the following: In the former, though the act which occasions the death be unlawful, or likely to be attended with bodily mischief, yet the malice, either express or implied, which is the very essence of murder, is presumed to be wanting in manslaughter.

It also differs from murder in this, that there can be no accessaries before the fact, there having been no time for premeditation. Manslaugbter is voluntary, when it happens upon a sudden heat; or involuntary, when it takes place in the commission of some unlawful act.

The cases of manslaughter may be classed as follows those which take place in consequence of: 1. Provocation. 2. Mutual combat. 3. Resistance to public officers, etc. 4. Killing in the prosecution of an unlawful or wanton act. 5. Killing in the prosecution of a lawful act, improperly performed, or performed without lawful authority."

The free online English Dictionary also says "In most jurisdictions, voluntary manslaughter consists of an intentional killing that is accompanied by additional circumstances that mitigate, but do not excuse, the killing. The most common type of voluntary manslaughter occurs when a defendant is provoked to commit the Homicide. It is sometimes described as a heat of passion killing. In most cases, the provocation must induce rage or anger in the defendant, although some cases have held that fright, terror, or desperation will suffice.

If adequate provocation is established, a murder charge may be reduced to manslaughter. Generally there are four conditions that must be fulfilled to warrant the reduction: (1) the provocation must cause rage or fear in a reasonable person; (2) the defendant must have actually been provoked; (3) there should not be a time period between the provocation and the killing within which a reasonable person would cool off; and (4) the defendant should not have cooled off during that period."

For murder to be so defined, I repeat the action and intention must be fully present and in these cases it is not, it is the case of a group of abandoned and misguided children trying to survive in their own ways or possibly should we say to draw attention to themselves?

I ask, why should we call for the heads of these teenagers when it is obvious that they are under the provocation of alcohol, drugs, depression and lack of love. No, Capital Punishment is not the answer at all.

To take me to another of my submissions, I'll ask WaleAkin this question: As someone with social obligations, what did you do when you saw these groups of teenagers smoking marijuana? Did you alert the police? What exactly did you do? Did you contact the youth offending panel in your locality and try to work with them? What exactly did you do?

Ladies and Gentlemen, we fail in our social obligations and the teenage crimes that you all are concerned about today is the outcome of that failure. To kill the teenage murderers instead of taking up our social obligations will be a futile and even more criminally intentioned activity and this is what I'll be back to expantiate on.

Thanks

[WaleAkin]

Originally Posted by LizMoses

The cases of manslaughter may be classed as follows those which take place in consequence of: 1. Provocation. 2. Mutual combat. 3. Resistance to public officers, etc. 4. Killing in the prosecution of an unlawful or wanton act. 5. Killing in the prosecution of a lawful act, improperly performed, or performed without lawful authority."

Mutual combat when the victim is attacked headlong? I'd pray LizMoses to kindly cite good examples to buttress her points pls! I will formally respond to this ill-conceived notion when i have official examples

Originally Posted by LizMoses

If adequate provocation is established, a murder charge may be reduced to manslaughter. Generally there are four conditions that must be fulfilled to warrant the reduction: (1) the provocation must cause rage or fear in a reasonable person; (2) the defendant must have actually been provoked; (3) there should not be a time period between the provocation and the killing within which a reasonable person would cool off; and (4) the defendant should not have cooled off during that period."

What would make a Judge reduce a Murder case to Manslaughter when there are convincing evidences of intent to kill? I have a strong belief that the Judges in all these murder cases are only being lenient not for anything but the simple fact that they see the culprits as Children-A strong misguided notion that should be stopped henceforth if we really need to see a drastic change

Originally Posted by LizMoses

For murder to be so defined, I repeat the action and intention must be fully present and in these cases it is not, it is the case of a group of abandoned and misguided children trying to survive in their own ways or possibly should we say to draw attention to themselves?

Draw attention to yourself by killing a fellow youth? If we have these funny mindsets, then we all have a long way to go in the UK!

Originally Posted by LizMoses

To take me to another of my submissions, I'll ask WaleAkin this question: As someone with social obligations, what did you do when you saw these groups of teenagers smoking marijuana? Did you alert the police? What exactly did you do? Did you contact the youth offending panel in your locality and try to work with them? What exactly did you do?

1. Gary Newlove is presently in his grave and may his soul rest in perfect peace! He opened his front door to speak to youths who went on rampage on his street causing malicious damage to parked vehicles: They got angry at his blatant courage and within minutes, stamped and kicked him to death- The offending youths were only jailed for 5 years each!

2. James Parker asked a group of youth to reduce their noise level on a public bus: He was stabbed to death for questioning their authority!The 16 year old boy who stabbed him was jailed for 4 years!

3. A young Law graduate travelling on a public bus with his fiance asked a youth to stop throwing fried chips and chicken on the floor and at them for no reason: He was knifed to death for his bravery to question his authority!! On a public bus??

4. An old Pensioner with his aged Wife (These are OAPs with subtle voices) told a couple of youths on their street in 2006 to stop playing rough and behave properly-They stormed their residence in the early hours of the next morning and petrol bombed them to death!

I will ONLY be able to talk to ill-mannered youths when the legal system is thoroughly revamped and my safety guaranteed!!!

Third Submission-Is Capital Punishment the way out?

Yes!!

Looking at Ms Arsema Darwit who was knifed to death in the lift of a block of flats here in London is a good case study to drum up the points on the need to bring back the capital punishment that has been totally erased from the coffers of the British correctional facilities. This 15 year old Girl was knifed 10 times and her fragile body decapitated: The Killer snuffed life out of her in a deliberate move to making sure she did not survive the attack, its abit okay when you stab once but a different ball game when in a more calculated attempt we have multiple stab wounds inflicted on the body of the victim! The law MUST take its full course!

Damilola Taylor is another classical example- The intent was to mug him of his silver leather jacket as he returned home from the local library, he was stabbed in the leg, a marble ball thrown down his throat and left to die: The Preddie Brothers were convicted and presently serving a 8 year term! Arrant nonsense!!! Damilola Taylor was stabbed with a broken bottle because he refused to let go of his jacket and his throat stuffed up with a ball because he shouted in order to alert passersby, so what’s the intent here pls? Getting killed for non-compliance and a golden opportunity to rob me of my possession?

Coming back to Late Arsema Darwit: It has been reported that the Police were duly informed about the threat to her life 4 weeks before her death but nothing happened as she was only formally interviewed where it has been reported that she denied any threat to her life: Does that not tell us something that she had been threatened heavily not to speak to the Police? Did the Police speak with the Man who had threatened her as this is the same person who eventually knifed her to death 28 days later?

The systemic bureaucracy of the Police force is highly appalling! It has been widely reported that the knives at various murder scenes in the last months are kitchen knives concealed in their bags and/or jackets- I’d submit that these are pre-meditated murders carried out with intent to kill. If you don’t want to kill me, why shoot me straight in the head as we had in the case of Nicholas Clarke, 19 who died from a single gunshot to the head in Brixton, London? If you don’t also have intent to kill, why film the act on your cell phones to upload unto social websites where it is watched by millions of youths all over the world?

The Youths have a belief that is so prevalent at the moment and i quote one of their usual rhetoric “The maximum slammer will be 10 years and will be back shortly” They boast about their negative acts hence the annoying reason why a Mother reported her sons to the police when she learnt that they had beaten a Man to coma in an unprovoked attack the previous night! When we make a scapegoat of these offending youths by either lethal injecting anyone if found guilty of murder, the rest of these marauding youths will sit tight to notice the paradigm shift! We need to tell them all that there is a new order in the system.

The UK prison system is such a warped correctional medium where adequate precaution are embarked upon not to violate the so-called fundamental human rights of inmates. An inmate who violated someone’s life by killing him/her and deprived the victim of the right to life? These Youths are not feeling the full effects of their negative lives as they are still accorded the full rights when slammed in correctional facilities: The only thing they can’t do is move about freely but the basic pecks of a normal life outside of a prison wall is still being enjoyed.

What’s the meaning of a Prison? A correctional institution where persons are confined while on trial or for punishment- If this is correct, why then give these youths Play stations in their rooms 24/7? What’s the punishment being served here? In as much as we are in a developed country where brutish and draconian laws are not expended, i see the urgent need to bring back these laws to stem the flow: An average of one unwarranted Youth murder in a forth night needs a drastic measure that will certainly violate the so-called rights of these killers!!