Would Abiola Have Been a Good President?

[Albany]

Originally Posted by tonsoyo

This is bull.shit Albany. I laid down why I think he would be a good President one by each. Backed up by facts, so do not pretend not to know. You will have to debunk those points one by one to make your own points.

This man was different in all ramifications from most or all Nigerian politicians. How will he not be a good President, when he was over generous with his own money and had a clear understanding of the country from the Military and civilian perspectives.

I still wonder what those who tried to paint him as an agent of the West did with their other eyes, that would have made them see that one of the reasons the West did not support him and actually engineered his death was his Reparation for Africa struggle.

Nigerians sometimes disgust me. For some it is ignorance, for some it is mischief. So soon?

Tonsoyo,

your input is as jejune as those before it. You are being clever by half. I need more proofs, please.

Now, on a serious note, Tonsoyo, does it follow that since Abiola was overly generous with his own finances, he would automatically have made a good president ? That is what i don't understand. Are you saying that the reason our presidents have all failed us is because they were not generous with their finances ? I am even tempted to argue that Abiola would have run the economy aground with his unbridled generosity.

You claim that Abiola understood the military, yet he was consumed by the military. Do you think it was sensible of him to have declared himself president, thereby playing into the hands of his enemies ?

Abiola was monumentally corrupt. Did you read about the contract inflation and how 80 million became 800 million overnight ? Don't forget that, as a contractor, he had already made his profits in the initial proposal but he wanted much more. He should have been in jail in a decent society but not in Nigeria. We are here celebrating that he donated a part of his loot to tertiary institutions.

Sorry, i am not impressed.

[tonsoyo]

Originally Posted by Albany

Tonsoyo,

your input is as jejune as those before it. You are being clever by half. I need more proofs, please.

Now, on a serious note, Tonsoyo, does it follow that since Abiola was overly generous with his own finances, he would automatically have made a good president ? That is what i don't understand. Are you saying that the reason our presidents have all failed us is because they were not generous with their finances ? I am even tempted to argue that Abiola would have run the economy aground with his unbridled generosity.

You claim that Abiola understood the military, yet he was consumed by the military. Do you think it was sensible of him to have declared himself president, thereby playing into the hands of his enemies ?

Abiola was monumentally corrupt. Did you read about the contract inflation and how 80 million became 800 million overnight ? Don't forget that, as a contractor, he had already made his profits in the initial proposal but he wanted much more. He should have been in jail in a decent society but not in Nigeria. We are here celebrating that he donated a part of his loot to tertiary institutions.

Sorry, i am not impressed.

We will have to be discussing at the same level to make sense to each other. It may be a hard job teaching astro-physics, to an elementary school pupil. Your response sounds like a question the elementary school pupil may ask (no pun intended)

The lesson of Abiola's generousity is to show that he was a compassionate person. When you are compassionate, you are more than likely to make people friendly policies. Do not forget this is hypothetical, we will therefore have to make use of what is known to forecast the likely. Ibori and Odili were never known be generous with people before they got to power. So you cannot use them as examples.

Abiola did not run his own finances aground with generousity, on the contrary he got richer and richer, so he could not have run the country's economy down with generousity.

Point two, it is one thing to understand the Military, it is another to have the power and the control. He lost out of the power play. But do not forget that the question is if he had been President. At that stage he would have the power, to deal with any Military shenanigan. Your point is therefore not relevant.

I totally disgree with you, Abiola was not "monumentally" corrupt. He was not in power either, he was only a contractor. Somebody who is still treated as an hero in Nigeria, whose our number one Airport is named after, whose image is carried on our money approved that contract, why blame Abiola? Then consider how much he gave back to the system.


No other beneficiary of the country's corrupt system ever did.

It appears to me that you are not responding to the question, that you are creating your own question in your mind and was responding to them on the board.

Nobody asked if Abiola would have made it to Presidency in America, so the issue of whether he would be in jail in your "decent society" does not arise.

The truth as known was that he was not in jail and Nigerians overwhelmingly voted for him, that he would have been in jail in "decent society" is totally off the mark. FA FA FA FOOOOOUUUUULLLLLL!!!

[MsMak]

I don't understand why we cannot have a simple discussion without resorting to childish put-downs of other people who have a dissenting view. It is quite unfortunate, especially as we are all supposed to be adults in this village.


I stiil don't understand how a rich and generous president would automatically equal a GOOD one. Some may argue that George W. Bush was rich and generous, did that make him a good president? One thing many people would agree on today is that IBB was a very generous man (which is why he still has many loyal followers today). Does that mean he was good? Like wise Bill Clinton was known to have several affairs, yet most would agree he made a great president.

So far noone seems to be addressing a point that i brought up in my earlier post - that he sponsored quite a few coup d'etats in Nigeria. Coups that led us to our present predicament in Naija today. He did this hand in hand with IBB and Abacha and the rest of them.

When the chips were down, he put his love of money ahead of his country, so how would he have made a good president of this same country he helped rape for profit?

[Lalakokofefe]

Originally Posted by MsMak

So far noone seems to be addressing a point that i brought up in my earlier post - that he sponsored quite a few coup d'etats in Nigeria. Coups that led us to our present predicament in Naija today. He did this hand in hand with IBB and Abacha and the rest of them.

And i am sure you have documentary evidence of this, or just the gist that has been making the rounds.

[Austin]

And MsMak and his team are sounding more and more pathetic. He sounds as if he wanted to cry. Too bad. Look to answer your hows, let me also ask you a how question: so how does sponsoring coups mean that one will not be a 'good' president? Mind you I am only following your line of reasonning o - okay.

Tonsoyo and co have said a bit of the points I would like to raise. 1st off, this is the realm of the hypothetical, so I allowed myself the liberty of being categorical at first. And I will do it now again. CHIEF MKO ABIOLA WOULD HAVE BEEN A GODDAMN GOOD PRESIDENT. So now, take that to the bank - anybody.

But how do I know? How can I be so sure. Well, its all in the personality of the man, with all his flaws.
. He was brilliant, and his brilliiance shines at any time and in anybody's company
. He was well educated, serving as the basis for his brilliance. This is very important because it meant he could think for himself without the acute reliance on assistants or so-called experts for even mundane things
. He was very well connected both internally and externally. This is no mean feat, and is may be very essential for an ambitious stateman and his state, like Obama, international acceptance would be easy and less introduction/convincing would be necessary.
. He was likeable and charismatic, which meant that he would be good at motivating and mobilising.
. He had an open and compelling life story, to which most can relate and find inspiration.
. He was a generous man, earning the title, philantropist extra-ordinaire. Mind you, his generousity was not just about the mundane like sponsoring religious activities but more importantly about areas of human need and development.
He was also known as the pillar of sports in Africa, which meant that he would have helped improve sport in Africa in his capacity as president.
. He was an educationist, who not only value and appreciate education but even supported it with his own money. As a president, our educational system would not have become a rot that it had become.
. He was an Africanist who not only supported liberation struggles, with his money and influence, but all led a world-wide campaign for reparation. Mind you, the reparation campaign was not just a jamboree, but a deep eduational and soul searching concept that actually (perhaps almost) became a world wide debate and movement, with corresponding reaserches that went into it.
. MKO was a man of the world, who was well exposed and understood the world in ways that many of his cotemporaries as well as countrymen and women do not.
. He was an accountant and businessman who undrstood the intricacies of deals and counter deals and the sanctity of contracts among other things. All of which would have helped in negotiating deals for the country and remain essential in weeding weed from 'shaft' (how do you spell that thing sef?).
. MKO was a man with national spread, who won the presidential election in every part of the country, and therefore had a need, a strong need indeed, to perform.
. And most importantly, MKO had ran his campaingn on the basis of HOPE. Hope in the midst of despair. HOPE at a time of despondency. A promise of hope in a time of hopelessness...
How then wouldn't he have been a good president?

[MsMak]

Originally Posted by Lalakokofefe

And i am sure you have documentary evidence of this, or just the gist that has been making the rounds.

It is has been written in many articles and books. The quickest i can think of is in Karl Maier's "This House Has Fallen". Please see Page 60 of that book here:

LINK


It is a great book by the way, if you haven't had the chance to read it.

[emj]

Eherm, i think it's about time u guys cut the crap and discuss the living......which way forward?
Work towards getting a good living President...okay.

[tonsoyo]

Originally Posted by MsMak

It is has been written in many articles and books. The quickest i can think of is in Karl Maier's "This House Has Fallen". Please see Page 60 of that book here:

LINK


It is a great book by the way, if you haven't had the chance to read it.

MsMak,
When you said he "sponsored" the coups what do you mean? That he bought them the tanks and guns that were rolled out to seize power, because IBB who was the Chief of Army Staff, and an Infantry soldier couldn't gey any from the armoury?
Or that he paid IBB to elevated himself to the position of Head of State?

You do not want to have a childish argument, yet you keep putting up infantile arguments. The kind that we discuss on our way to the church when I was 5 years old.

Did you mean to say he supported a coup? If yes, so what? It is called power game.

How can you hypothetically determine if somebody would have been a great leader if not by certain inherent qualities of the person as I stated earlier and well elucidated by Austin above. Would you rather judge him by certain stand-alone acts dictated by the situation at that time or those inherent qualities he displayed all his life?

Well. George Bush was not known to have bankrolled American Universities with his money, IBB was not known to have been Abiola-generous with his personal money before he became the Head of State. He did not have MKO's kind of connection, did not have Abiola's kind of education and the did not socialize with the ordinary and the powerful Nigerians as a multi-millionaire like Abiola.

MKO was a total package, and even then he was the only person that ever won an undisputed Presidency in Nigeria history. He was the only that ever enjoyed the "luxury" of being congratulated by his opponent in an election in Nigeria!

So to you all that counts for nothing?

[maxsiollun]

Spot on MsMak. That Abiola was a supporter of both the Buhari AND IBB coups is not a secret. IBB has publicly confirmed this.

For those who are wondering, army officers do not risk their lives and their families' livelihoods without assurances about their future solvency. As far back as Nigeria's first coup in Jan 1966, recall that Major Nzeogwu demanded from Ironsi, "compensation" for the soldiers who took part in the coup.

Back to this issue...IBB said that Abiola used his publishing empire to discredit the ousted regimes prior to their removal AND gave financial support to the coup plotters. He said of Abiola:

"[Abiola] was also very good in trying to mold the thinking of the media. We relied on him a lot for that. So there was both the media support and the financial support.”


...and yes, Maier's book is an excellent read. Sad that we rely on foreigners to write our history for us...

Originally Posted by MsMak

It is has been written in many articles and books. The quickest i can think of is in Karl Maier's "This House Has Fallen". Please see Page 60 of that book here:

LINK


It is a great book by the way, if you haven't had the chance to read it.

[bob]

i look at it in this perspective : would abiola have been a better president than gowon, murtala, bissalla, obj, shagari, buhari, ibb, vatsa, abacha, abdul, obj II.

which of these men would you rather be your c-in-c. i would consider only buhari in this list alongside him. (buhari committed an unpardonable sin to me by approving of inec's preparations for the 2007 elections. the man no get sense?).

[Austin]

So Maxsiollun, how exactly can we infer that supporting a coup/coups will translate to becoming a bad leader.

Funny you quoted IBB on Abiola over there; I guess you have an idea what some of us think you are now doing for him (IBB)?

And it is even funny, as always, that every time people try to put the man Abiola down, they can only rely on rumours and hear say. Was IBB speaking on oath? Why didn't he show up at Oputa panel if he had anything to say on oath. Who is Karl maier, who was he working for and how did he come about his information?

MKO was a good man, indeed he was a SAINT of a man, and a fantastic president he would have made

[maxsiollun]

Hello Austin. To respond to your points:

1) You reject the veracity of IBB's claims re Abiola. You have to remember that MKO and IBB were extremely close friends going back several years. MKO may have been IBB's closes civilian friend.

2) Are you inferring that unless something is said on oath, it cannot be true? hmm...99.99% of statements made by humans are not made under oath. So should we infer that humans are lying 99.99% of the time?

3) I did not say that supporting coups automatically = bad leader. I was merely providing information for readers, in order to allow them to appraise MKO's characteristics. Read my post above in this thread, where I said that I post info without necessarily (dis)agreeing with it.

4) Happy to educate you re Karl Maier. He was the Independent's correspondent in Nigeria, lived in Africa for over a decade, worked as a journalist frequently writing on Nigeria. He is one of the few Western authors that writes on Nigeria with accuracy and knowledge. FYI his quotes from IBB were obtained in a direct face to face verbatim interview he conducted with IBB at IBB's house in Minna (in the presence of a Nigerian journalist).

Originally Posted by Austin

So Maxsiollun, how exactly can we infer that supporting a coup/coups will translate to becoming a bad leader.

Funny you quoted IBB on Abiola over there; I guess you have an idea what some of us think you are now doing for him (IBB)?

And it is even funny, as always, that every time people try to put the man Abiola down, they can only rely on rumours and hear say. Was IBB speaking on oath? Why didn't he show up at Oputa panel if he had anything to say on oath. Who is Karl maier, who was he working for and how did he come about his information?

MKO was a good man, indeed he was a SAINT of a man, and a fantastic president he would have made

[Austin]

Originally Posted by maxsiollun

Hello Austin. To respond to your points:

1) You reject the veracity of IBB's claims re Abiola. You have to remember that MKO and IBB were extremely close friends going back several years. MKO may have been IBB's closes civilian friend.

2) Are you inferring that unless something is said on oath, it cannot be true? hmm...99.99% of statements made by humans are not made under oath. So should we infer that humans are lying 99.99% of the time?

3) I did not say that supporting coups automatically = bad leader. I was merely providing information for readers, in order to allow them to appraise MKO's characteristics. Read my post above in this thread, where I said that I post info without necessarily (dis)agreeing with it.

4) Happy to educate you re Karl Maier. He was the Independent's correspondent in Nigeria, lived in Africa for over a decade, worked as a journalist frequently writing on Nigeria. He is one of the few Western authors that writes on Nigeria with accuracy and knowledge. FYI his quotes from IBB were obtained in a direct face to face verbatim interview he conducted with IBB at IBB's house in Minna (in the presence of a Nigerian journalist).

Max,
Thanks for your decorous response. Let me state first and foremost, that I have been following your work on the internet. I have for example been to your website and seen almost all the videos and so on. I still do from time to time. This is important, because of my insinuation in the immediate previous post. It is important because, initially, I saw you as a millitary and indeed a Babangida apologist, but after going thru you work, I believe that you are a genuine researcher trying to dig thru all the rubbles of history as per our fatherland, even if you still have your bias. Why or to what end is however
what I am still trying to infer.

That said, lets get back MKO. And I here replied to you point by point as you raised them

1. Yes, friends or no friends, I reject what IBB seemed to be saying. With friends like him, who needs an enemy.

2. In the case of IBB, yes, I am insinuating that unless he was speaking on oath, I can't, and any right thinking person, ought not take him seriously. Is it not IBB, the Maradonna? The bold-face, unapologetic liar? Give me a break

3. The point nr. 3 is taken. But do remember that you have indeed taken sides. And your stance was based on the words of people like the liar IBB and other hear say as well as unsubstatiated comments, in short rumours.

4. Re Karl Maier, thanks for the education, but wait, isn't this the same thing as I have been saying, Karl wrote a book based on interview with again, IBB. And we are then supposed to take his words as gospel truth abi? My brother, where is the hard, implicating evidence. This is my point. Everybody seems to have one thing or the other to say, but where is the damning evidence?

[maxsiollun]

Austin, if we apply your argument to its logical conclusion, then we should ignore everything written on NVS, the great works of historians past and present, Kirk-Greene's famous sourcebook on Nigeria, the words of Zik, Awo, the Sardauna and all our forefathers, since none of it was said under oath. Applying your argument, all of us, and them, are liars.

It is absolutely your right to (dis)believe IBB, MKO or anyone else. But I do question what motivation IBB would have to telling people that MKO sponsored prior coups. Also bear in mind that in his memoirs, former President Shagari later referred to the financing and support given to military conspirators by an unnamed “well known business tycoon”. Although he declined to name this tycoon, contextually it was an obvious reference to Abiola.

Originally Posted by Austin

Max,
Thanks for your decorous response. Let me state first and foremost, that I have been following your work on the internet. I have for example been to your website and seen almost all the videos and so on. I still do from time to time. This is important, because of my insinuation in the immediate previous post. It is important because, initially, I saw you as a millitary and indeed a Babangida apologist, but after going thru you work, I believe that you are a genuine researcher trying to dig thru all the rubbles of history as per our fatherland, even if you still have your bias. Why or to what end is however
what I am still trying to infer.

That said, lets get back MKO. And I here replied to you point by point as you raised them

1. Yes, friends or no friends, I reject what IBB seemed to be saying. With friends like him, who needs an enemy.

2. In the case of IBB, yes, I am insinuating that unless he was speaking on oath, I can't, and any right thinking person, ought not take him seriously. Is it not IBB, the Maradonna? The bold-face, unapologetic liar? Give me a break

3. The point nr. 3 is taken. But do remember that you have indeed taken sides. And your stance was based on the words of people like the liar IBB and other hear say as well as unsubstatiated comments, in short rumours.

4. Re Karl Maier, thanks for the education, but wait, isn't this the same thing as I have been saying, Karl wrote a book based on interview with again, IBB. And we are then supposed to take his words as gospel truth abi? My brother, where is the hard, implicating evidence. This is my point. Everybody seems to have one thing or the other to say, but where is the damning evidence?

[Austin]

Max, even though I want to take your word for it, but I must tell you that you come off like one holding fort for IBB - the "evil genius" by the way.

No, I don't mean the words of every historian and our founding fathers should be disregarded. But where people are making serious allegations, where they are calling somebody a criminal, where they are assasinating or defaming somebody, I will prefer them to do that on oath. And especially where those people are not even innocent bystanders. Oh, and they did not reveal all these while the man was still alive and looming larger than life; they waited until he's dead - killed actually - by the same people, who are now talking. Come on!

Former president Shagari did not mention any names, so we can infer whatever we want, and that is being clever or mischievous, your pick. But when highly placed people in a society chose to spread rumours or talk in
parables, then they can't expect to be taken as serious as they may desire.
But my point is not just directed at our leaders, but those aspiring to leadership as well, in fact, the society/nation as a whole. We need to stay off hear say, conduct thorough investigations, determine the quantity and quality of people's guilt before making pronouncements. Or otherwise, forever hold our peace (or peaces if you like).

Originally Posted by maxsiollun

Austin, if we apply your argument to its logical conclusion, then we should ignore everything written on NVS, the great works of historians past and present, Kirk-Greene's famous sourcebook on Nigeria, the words of Zik, Awo, the Sardauna and all our forefathers, since none of it was said under oath. Applying your argument, all of us, and them, are liars.

It is absolutely your right to (dis)believe IBB, MKO or anyone else. But I do question what motivation IBB would have to telling people that MKO sponsored prior coups. Also bear in mind that in his memoirs, former President Shagari later referred to the financing and support given to military conspirators by an unnamed “well known business tycoon”. Although he declined to name this tycoon, contextually it was an obvious reference to Abiola.

[Mikky jaga]

Originally Posted by maxsiollun

Austin, if we apply your argument to its logical conclusion, then we should ignore everything written on NVS, the great works of historians past and present, Kirk-Greene's famous sourcebook on Nigeria, the words of Zik, Awo, the Sardauna and all our forefathers, since none of it was said under oath. Applying your argument, all of us, and them, are liars.

It is absolutely your right to (dis)believe IBB, MKO or anyone else. But I do question what motivation IBB would have to telling people that MKO sponsored prior coups. Also bear in mind that in his memoirs, former President Shagari later referred to the financing and support given to military conspirators by an unnamed “well known business tycoon”. Although he declined to name this tycoon, contextually it was an obvious reference to Abiola.

If you take IBB's word as the truth without many independent verifications, then you are in for a very rough ride. Even when he prefixed his statement with Insha Allah, you had better do a double check. The guy has a very bad reputation for duplicity.

As for his statement on Abiola, the guy has every reason to want to dent Abiola's larger than life image with such deadly insinuations to justify his perfidy in annuling the elections.

Originally Posted by tonsoyo

Forget about Lamido Sanusi, make your own point, using your brain, bringing out reasonable argument.
This is arrant and gaseous nonsense.

Since you asked for it, I will oblige you. To prove to you that Abiola was a real 'area fada'. . . .pay careful attention.

Originally Posted by omaks

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong again. Former French President Francois Mitterrand was reputed to have a penchant for beautiful women, and indeed kept a mistress while in Office. Heaven didn't fall down then. Polygamy is a culture tolerated in our society, while in other societies it is legally frowned upon.

Rather than being a hypocrite and a liar, Abiola was courageous enough, if in the process displaying his weakness to openly show people he loved the polygamous way of life.

I wonder what people would have said had he come out to tell all and sundry that he was GAY.

* shakes head * Being a gay person is worse than being a male-****? There is absolutely no basis for any comparison between being gay and being polygamous. Unless the gay person has the same philandering status of a man/woman in the manner in which Abiola operated all in the guise of being a polygamist. Such magnitude which constituted nothing short of a pandemically-infectious exercise. Even the W.H.O/CDC combined, would not have been able to avert/contain the damage he would have done to Africa or the world if he was not stopped by some divine intervention. The man was only 60!!!!! Abiola was not polygamous, but catastrophically METROGAMOUS/COSTMOGAMOUS/GLOBALOGAMOUS! If he could not keep his zipper down, how much time could he really devote to the affairs of the country when he spent a good deal of his time in the bed or at the back of his vehicle getting waxed?

Even Chirac. . . .
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...7-2703,00.html

THREE months away from his expected retirement, French President Jaques Chirac has for the first time confirmed his appetite for extramarital affairs, saying that he loved many women in his lifetime "as discreetly as possible".

"I didn't hate women, but I didn't overdo it," Mr Chirac told Pierre Pean, who interviewed him for his book L'Inconnu de l'Elysee (The Stranger at the Elysee), to be published on Thursday.

Mitterrand performed the same confessional exercise with Pean before he left office.

Famous men in the history of politics would hide such a 'defect' and try to be discreet for their own images recognizing such a behavior as bothering on the 'paranormal', and the interest of the public good! It is always a whole lot better to have a 'physical' impairment than a 'mental' one.

The most baffling concern about all these is that Abiola was once a Christian. Just to accommodate his excesses, he became a Muslim of course. What a man! He would even switch from one religion to another just for the love of women. All to claim 72 virgins in the after life. No doubt he is equal to the task. I wonder how he is doing up there or down there now.

http://nigeriaworld.com/articles/2009/jun/111.html

So there is the second thought by Christians over Abiola despite it was told he was once a Christian. So that move was a very smart one by MKO Abiola, and those kinds of actions were responsible for his landslide win across the nations.

He even changed religions for the love of women. Olodumarererererereeee sun re re re re re re
ooh!

http://www.answers.com/topic/moshood-abiola

Following common tradition, Abiola took four wives; Simibiat Atinuke Shoaga in 1960, Kudirat Olayinki Adeyemi in 1973, Adebisi Olawunmi Oshin in 1974, and Doyinsola (Doyin) Abiola Aboaba in 1981. He is said to have fathered over 40 children from these four marriages. Abiola's second wife, Kudirat, was murdered in the capital city of Lagos in 1996. There was speculation that her death was caused by the military, but no proof was ever found. His third wife, Doyin, ran a newspaper chain he owned until it was closed by the government. In 1992, Abiola was ordered to pay $20,000 a month in child support to a woman who claimed to be his wife. His lawyers argued in a New Jersey court that Abiola had only four wives; this woman was just one of his 19 concubines.

Even all the way to the U.S.A? Having maxed out according to the allowances outlined by the Muslim tradition, Abiola went on to help himself with more women. Is this polygamy? His lawyers were not even ashamed to admit that he had 19 concubines in a court based in the civilized world. I am sure the judge fainted. How many men can sleep with 24 women in one lifetime?

http://www.answers.com/topic/moshood-abiola

Much of Abiola's fortune, which was estimated at close to $2 billion, he freely distributed to others. He is said to have sent over 2,500 students through the university system as well as donating money to charities and championing sporting events. His generosity earned Abiola the nickname "Father Christmas" among the citizens of Nigeria. In addition to his generosity, Abiola was considered an astute businessman. For over 20 years he carefully cultivated friends throughout the country. He considered himself well liked by the Nigerian military establishment, a miscalculation that would cost him dearly.

Even Bill Gates was not so generous. What a businessman with grossly erroneous social miscalculations. Obviously, he was not a good judge of characters and did not know how to pick his 'friends' and bedmates. Small wonder 25 children failed the DNA test. You can imagine what he would do with his cabinet members as a 'good' president. He would have nominated all the women as in his harem to liquidate Nigeria/s coffers for ever. Where is his 2 billion-dollar empire today?

Originally Posted by Austin

So Maxsiollun, how exactly can we infer that supporting a coup/coups will translate to becoming a bad leader.

And it is even funny, as always, that every time people try to put the man Abiola down, they can only rely on rumours and hear say. Was IBB speaking on oath? Why didn't he show up at Oputa panel if he had anything to say on oath. Who is Karl maier, who was he working for and how did he come about his information?

MKO was a good man, indeed he was a SAINT of a man, and a fantastic president he would have made

* Shakes head * You are challenging others as to why they think Abiola would have made a bad president, but you are cork sure he could have made 'fantastic' president? Even after his treacherous manipulations at ITT and all subsequently failed businesses comprising of the "Concord" conglomerate?

Well, being a "SAINT" according to you, you should be glad he has become cannonized by most of you then. He did not lose afterall.

Not speaking ill of the dead, but just commenting on what has already been commented upon. Just asking the pertinent questions as they may arise.

Main problems:
If a man cannot detect children that he did not father, contain his unfaithful wives and concubines, command loyal friends and decent business partners for the most parts, how can a man be a good president? Of all people to pick as a good friend, he chose to dine with IBB of all people? To make matters worse he is a spend thrift and becomes an all-year-round 'Father Christmas'.

He was not only careless, but reckless. Putting Nigeria in his hands would be similar to putting a drunken driver behind the wheel and without a valid drivers license in any German autobahn. To many casualties to constitute an operation search and recover. Unfortunately for him, IBB knew him better than he knew himself. Frankly, he was not a very smart man. Apologies.


In his place, we got murderers and more incest-mongers. Please God, come and save us from these people.

[Austin]

@ Simbili,
And you expect a response ko? Too bad. I gave up on you when I got to the point where you claimed he changed religion. You do not only not know what you are talking about, but you have also chosen to become toxic with it. You are like a man, in possession of a loaded gun without the ability to use it properly, who then on top of that danger is busy consuming unlimited amount of alcohol. The ignorance and imbecile dehavior is a dangerous combination.

Sorry, you aint getting no response from me more than this, 'tis even more than you deserve.

[RAYNOSA]

Originally Posted by emj

Eherm, i think it's about time u guys cut the crap and discuss the living......which way forward?
Work towards getting a good living President...okay.

Exactly why bad people don't rest in peace....If you do good while on earth good will always follow you even in death.
You guys carry on he contributed to the rot we have in Nigeria today.Shikena

[Lalakokofefe]

Originally Posted by Simbili

Since you asked for it, I will oblige you. To prove to you that Abiola was a real 'area fada'. . . .pay careful attention.



* shakes head * Being a gay is worse than being a male-****? There is absolutely no basis for any comparison between being gay and being polygamous. Unless the gay person has the same philandering status of a man/woman in the manner in which Abiola operated all in the guise of being a polygamist. Such magnitude which constituted nothing short of a pandemically-infectious exercise. Even W.H.O/CDC combined, would not have been able to contain the damage he may have done to Africa or the world if he was not stopped by some divine intervention. Abiola was not polygamous, but catastrophically METROGAMOUS/COSTMOGAMOUS/GLOBALOGAMOUS! If he could not keep his zipper down, how much time could he really devote to the affairs of the country when he spent a good deal of his time in the bed or at the back of his vehicle getting waxed?

Even Chirac. . . .
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...7-2703,00.html



Famous men in the history of politics would hide such a 'defect' and try to be discreet for their own image and the interest of the public good!

The most baffling concern about all these is that Abiola was once a Christian. Just to accommodate his excesses, he became a Muslim of course. What a man! He would even switch from one religion to another just for the love of women. All to claim 72 virgins in the after life. No doubt he is equal to the task. I wonder how he is doing up there or down there now.

http://nigeriaworld.com/articles/2009/jun/111.html



He even changed religions for the love of women. Olodumarererererereeee sun re re re re re re
ooh!

http://www.answers.com/topic/moshood-abiola


Even all the way to the U.S.A? Having maxed out according to the allowances outlined by the Muslim tradition, Abiola went on to help himself with more women. Is this polygamy? His lawyers were not even ashamed to admit that he had 19 concubines in a court based in the civilized world. I am sure the judge fainted. How many men can sleep with 24 women in one lifetime?

http://www.answers.com/topic/moshood-abiola


Even Bill Gates was not so generous. What a businessman with grossly erroneous social miscalculations. Obviously, he was not a good judge of characters and did not know how to pick his 'friends' and bedmates. Small wonder 25 children failed the DNA test. You can imagine what he would do with his cabinet members as a 'good' president. He would have nominated all the women as in his harem to liquidate Nigeria/s coffers for ever. Where is his 2 billion-dollar empire today?



* Shakes head * You are challenging others as to why they think Abiola would have made a bad president, but you are cork sure he could have made 'fantastic' president? Even after his treacherous manipulations at ITT and all subsequently failed businesses comprising of the "Concord" conglomerate?

Well, being a "SAINT" according to you, you should be glad he has become cannonized by most of you then. He did not lose afterall.

Not speaking ill of the dead, but just commenting on what has already been commented upon. Just asking the pertinent questions as they may arise.

Main problems:
If a man cannot detect children that he did not father, contain his unfaithful wives and concubines, command loyal friends and decent business partners for the most parts, how can a man be a good president? Of all people to pick as a good friend, he chose to dine with IBB of all people? To make matters worse he is a spend thrift and becomes an all-year-round 'Father Christmas'.

He was not only careless, but reckless. Putting Nigeria in his hands would be similar to putting a drunken driver behind the wheel and without a valid drivers license in any German autobahn. To many casualties to constitute an operation search and recover. Unfortunately for him, IBB knew him better than he knew himself. Frankly, he was not a very smart man. Apologies.


In his place, we got murderers and more incest-mongers. Please God, come and save us from these people.

Really? Simbili, really??