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Old Jun 27, 2009 , 05:52 PM   # 140 (permalink)
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And i do not understand why people are so fixated on Abiola's generosity. Please, is there a link between generosity and purposeful leadership ?
generousity, I suppose, is an element within which you may derive compassion.

Its only that, that we link to leadership.

Just imagine, if Obj had a bit of compassion for the rest of us, we wouldnt have odi for starts...

as you said, its all academic.

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Old Jun 27, 2009 , 06:35 PM   # 141 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Dapxin View Post
generousity, I suppose, is an element within which you may derive compassion.

Its only that, that we link to leadership.

Just imagine, if Obj had a bit of compassion for the rest of us, we wouldnt have odi for starts...

as you said, its all academic.

I like your choice of words, Dapxin and i agree with you that one MAY derive compassion within generosity but is it not possible that in Abiola's case, his generosity was out of restitution, having 'stolen' from the people ? Is it equally not possible that what people term 'Abiola's generosity' was actually a sort of 'bribery' to be voted for ? In that case, his generosity was not out of compassion. I would like to know how generous he was after the annulment or was he too busy fighting to reclaim his mandate ?

Don't even mention OBJ, he is a scoundrel, who, unlike Abiola, has no compassion for his immediate family.

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Old Jun 27, 2009 , 06:53 PM   # 142 (permalink)
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I like your choice of words, Dapxin and i agree with you that one MAY derive compassion within generosity but is it not possible that in Abiola's case, his generosity was out of restitution, having 'stolen' from the people ? Is it equally not possible that what people term 'Abiola's generosity' was actually a sort of 'bribery' to be voted for ? In that case, his generosity was not out of compassion. I would like to know how generous he was after the annulment or was he too busy fighting to reclaim his mandate ?

Don't even mention OBJ, he is a scoundrel, who, unlike Abiola, has no compassion for his immediate family.
I am not sure, its relevant to our debate on this occasion to question the motive or rationale of Mr Abiolas generosity - so long we agree, he had that going for him even if its somewhat ridiculous to base presidential qualification on there....

But then again, lets imagine that IBB had compassion enough to get half of the cash in his name, in circulation in Lagos/Kano or my hometown....I am not sure we would villify him as much as we do now.

The fact that he somewhat united Nigerians, in purpose, and dreamz, and HOPE, gives a platform that no nigerian politician enjoyed; He wouldnt have needed to pretend, or do things by explaining to us why we needed to stay together:- the sort of con, other idi0ts continued to trick on us.

After June 12, Abiola pretty much lived to die for the mandate: I dont think we could ask more from him. or from any man.

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Old Jun 27, 2009 , 07:33 PM   # 143 (permalink)
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To all you detractors, please have this Shina Peters for your enjoyment. I hope it cools you down a bit.

Mi o mo o oun won pe o se - I don't know what they are accusing you of....
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E e ba mi pe o, Abola (4x) - Help me to call him, Abiola!!
Over to Sir Shina

YouTube - Shinamania Part 4

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Old Jun 27, 2009 , 07:46 PM   # 144 (permalink)
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Perhaps you prefer KSA. Here enjoy!

YouTube - King Sunny Ade - M.K.O Abiola

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Old Jun 27, 2009 , 08:54 PM   # 145 (permalink)
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Austin,

thanks for your generosity in sharing those musical videos. I believe you would make a good president

Permit me to share some more songs for the listening pleasure of fellow villagers. Enjoy:

YouTube - FELA KUTI - I.T.T. - (AUDIO) - 1

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Old Jun 27, 2009 , 09:03 PM   # 146 (permalink)
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Austin,

thanks for your generosity in sharing those musical videos. I believe you would make a good president

Permit me to share some more songs for the listening pleasure of fellow villagers. Enjoy:

YouTube - FELA KUTI - I.T.T. - (AUDIO) - 1
Thanks a lot Albany,
But did you hear what Abiola said, when confronted by journalist about the music and asked why he didn't sue for libel. Well, he said, and I quote: if you are taking a swim in a secluded pool, and a mad man came around, packed your clothe and started running, its wise not to pursue him. Why? Because when you hit town naked in pursuit of the mad man, well people will not be able to distinguish between who is mad between you two.

Enjoy

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Old Jun 27, 2009 , 09:26 PM   # 147 (permalink)
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Thanks a lot Albany,
But did you hear what Abiola said, when confronted by journalist about the music and asked why he didn't sue for libel. Well, he said, and I quote: if you are taking a swim in a secluded pool, and a mad man came around, packed your clothe and started running, its wise not to pursue him. Why? Because when you hit town naked in pursuit of the mad man, well people will not be able to distinguish between who is mad between you two.

Enjoy

Austin,

i really do not think that your analogy is relevant here. Abiola's reputation was at stake and Fela was not a mad man, as in he (Fela) could have been charged to court to come up with his evidence or be ready to pay for defamation. Okay, let's agree with you that Abiola dismissed Fela as a mad man, did he (Abiola) ever issue a press statement over his role in the ITT contract inflation, seeing that it had generated so much furore ? I do not know about you but if i am falsely accused of illegal enrichment, i will do everything within the armpit, sorry ambit of the law to clear my name, irrespective of where the allegation is coming from.

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Old Jun 30, 2009 , 01:34 AM   # 148 (permalink)
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Albany,
True talk. But would you have bothered when you know that the one doing the accusing is simple trying to raise roubles. When you know the guy is a heavy hemp smoker and probably other drugs user. When you know that the person and his allegations are inconsequential to your success. When you know that he who alleges ought to be the one to prove and not vice versa. When you are not the only one the guy maligned in one single stroke. And so on and so. You probably might (note the double emphasis) go ahead and sue. But the people concerned think otherwise - including Abiola.

By the way, that analogy was not mine, it was exactly Abiolas words (or something very similar. And Fela himself did not sue him for calling him a 'mad man', either directly or indirectly. So, Ina ruwa nna - (So, what is my own concern)

Enjoying your week, sir?

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Old Jun 30, 2009 , 05:02 AM   # 149 (permalink)
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Who cares
The man is dead
Has been dead
Let's talk of Yara do am

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Old Jun 30, 2009 , 03:45 PM   # 150 (permalink)
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Albany,
True talk. But would you have bothered when you know that the one doing the accusing is simple trying to raise roubles. When you know the guy is a heavy hemp smoker and probably other drugs user. When you know that the person and his allegations are inconsequential to your success. When you know that he who alleges ought to be the one to prove and not vice versa. When you are not the only one the guy maligned in one single stroke. And so on and so. You probably might (note the double emphasis) go ahead and sue. But the people concerned think otherwise - including Abiola.

By the way, that analogy was not mine, it was exactly Abiolas words (or something very similar. And Fela himself did not sue him for calling him a 'mad man', either directly or indirectly. So, Ina ruwa nna - (So, what is my own concern)

Enjoying your week, sir?

Oremi Austin,

even when i do not share your opinion on Abiola, i must commend you for adding value to the discussion and, above all, for keeping it decent. Let's leave MKO to rest in peace, ojare.

Yes, it's been a lovely week for me, thanks. I do hope yours is turning out as great as you would want it. This is wishing you an equally great second half of the year.

Cheers !

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Old Jul 6, 2009 , 11:21 PM   # 151 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Albany View Post
Oremi Austin,

even when i do not share your opinion on Abiola, i must commend you for adding value to the discussion and, above all, for keeping it decent. Let's leave MKO to rest in peace, ojare.

Yes, it's been a lovely week for me, thanks. I do hope yours is turning out as great as you would want it. This is wishing you an equally great second half of the year.

Cheers !
@ Albany,
I almost missed the above. Thanks to you too (and others as well) for being a good sport. But please note:

Like Elvis before him;
And like Michael Jackson after him;
Abiola is not dead;
Abiola will not die;
Abiola lives on;
Abiola will continue to live,
Forever and ever.

Cheers

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"To separate the Zimbabwean people from Zanu PF we are going to have to make their economy scream, and I hope you Senators have the stomach for what you have to do" (Mr Crocker (2000) @ a U.S congressional hearing on Zimbabwe)

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