United States Government Memo on Biafra

[FSU]

Originally Posted by DeepThought

Obviously, I have to take lessons on satorical writing from Professor, Dr, Lawyer , Engineer Kenn. I was actually against Ewuro, I thought that was obvious.

Anyway to answer your question:
1. I think the Yoruba participation in the Civil war was regrettable but perhaps unavoidable given the circumstances at that time

2. Present day problems in Nigeria can be solved, but Nigerians will have to find the will to do so. And we have to want to be Nigerians too, not Hausa, Igbo, Yoruba, e.t.c Right now, we prefer to be anything but Nigerian. The majority of those who say they prefer to be Nigerians are lying thieves who benefit from the status quo and will like to keep it that way.

3. I doubt the authenticity of the "memo"

Thanks

Thanks. But why the doubt? Does anything look out of place in the above memo? That looks very predictive, or no?

[DeepThought]

Originally Posted by FSU

Thanks. But why the doubt? Does anything look out of place in the above memo? That looks very predictive, or no?

1.Yes and thats one of the problems.

2. Notice the "as ammended" on the memo itself?

3. The internet is a dangerous place. You can find anything you want. You can also post virtually anything you want

4. I'm not very trusting.

[Namio]

Max,

This is not the first time you and I have disagreed on your posts and if you are fair, you will agree that I have praised your contributions in some cases. Indeed, you may even dig it out one day to butress your points.

What I disagree with is the constant irritations to creat discord when there is none, especially when some of us are enjoying discussions with fellow Nigerians on what we agree or disagree with. All the other countries you mentioned including Isreal and Germany, how many Max do they have spoiling their fun and playing on their brotherly love? How many times have you posted on what unite us instead of what separate us?

If you do not know, minds have been made up about Nigeria civil war and each camp is passing their prejudice to their children. Luckily, most of those children ignore their parents while a few who have never been to Nigeria embraced what they want. Some of them even prefer to marry foreigners instead of Nigerians. Do you see this self hatred in Isreal or Germany?

With your research and "smarts" which I have never ignored (check my post on your topics), you can contribute more to amicable relationship amongst Nigerians but that may not sell books. You "grin" too much when we go after one another and claim you are playing a neutral role. Neutra role my foot.

Unfortunately, as Deepthought insinuated, the only Nigerians are looters, the rest rest of us are these ethnic groups who have never met one another or live near one another before the whiteman came. Most of them trace their home to Egypt or Israel but never met on their way to or from Egypt or Israel.

[Ewuro]

Originally Posted by DeepThought

Thank you Ewuro, for having the ability to read the minds of all the people who discuss their history. Indeed , you're the true son of your father



My thoughts exactly.
Why the fellow should take a personal interest in matters that don't concern him (or any of us) is beyond me and certainly disgraceful

DT.
Well, I believe there is a difference between the words 'ungraveful' and 'disgraceful'. As they are different they must convey different meanings.

[DeepThought]

Originally Posted by Ewuro

DT.
Well, I believe there is a difference between the words 'ungraveful' and 'disgraceful'. As they are different they must convey different meanings.

Don't take me too serious, Ewuro, that comment was meant to be slightly amusing but some truth in it.

[Exponent]

The Igbo's were the SUPERIOR tribe.

The Hausa-Fulani and the Yourba's were jealous.

shows what jealous people will do to you.

Now the Yourba's have stolen the Igbo's thunder and running around the globe masquerading like they were the "original" intelligent people from Nigeria.

pathetic.

[Ewuro]

Originally Posted by FSU

Deepthought and Ewuro,

You both are catching on straw. Please deal with the topic and stop chasing Max about. He has been reporting and posting stuff on Nigeria's past for years and this is the first time someone accuses him of personal agenda?

Do you want to talk about the role Yoruba played during that period and how such roles can be modified to solve present-day problems? What is your opinion on the memo itself?

Max: you should not only be posting these things, you should have your own opinions too.

FSU,
You jump without a care. I have been making rejoinders to Max for quite a while. I mean not only on this forum. At least he knows Ewuro's position on the issue he so much cares about. I can also assure you this is not the first time people, including Ewuro, have accused him of personal and revisionist agenda.
Only on this ocassion, the personal agenda I cited is neither ethnic nor revisionist. He wants to sell his book. I thought that was obvious.

I say you jump without due care to your personal safety or integrity, I daresay. The role of the Yoruba, the Igbo, the Delta people, the hausa and the middle beltans have been dealt into the deepest details on this forum. All you need to do is to get a drink and start searching for the threads. There are more than enough opinions to produce more than ten books.

Many other books are available, written from primary sources, those who were principal actors and secondary sources, those who did some research.

A villager has warned you there was never a shifting of the ground. It had always created more anger and mutual distrust. No group is right and no group is wrong.

If you wish to create anguish for yourself, the field is clear, have an unending feud!
Ewuro is out of here.

[DeepThought]

Originally Posted by Exponent

The Igbo's were the SUPERIOR tribe.

The Hausa-Fulani and the Yourba's were jealous.

shows what jealous people will do to you.

Now the Yourba's have stolen the Igbo's thunder and running around the globe masquerading like they were the "original" intelligent people from Nigeria.

pathetic.

Yes!, Yes!, Yes!!!

[maxsiollun]

Deepthought, the memo is posted on the US State Dept's website. Surely an agency of the US federal government would not post fake inauthentic material on its website?

Originally Posted by DeepThought

1.Yes and thats one of the problems.

2. Notice the "as ammended" on the memo itself?

3. The internet is a dangerous place. You can find anything you want. You can also post virtually anything you want

4. I'm not very trusting.

[FSU]

Max, what is your opinion about the MEMO?

[Albany]

Originally Posted by maxsiollun

For those who think I post on NVS as part of some evil Machiavellian conspiracy to sell books - not so. You really give me far too much credit.

My aim is to inform, and bring critical and controversial materials from our past to the attention of the public, so that we can learn lessons from mistakes of the past and avoid repeating them in future. We do not do enough to preserve, or learn from our history.

The title of this thread is "United States Government Memo on Biafra". I did not mention the words "Igbo" or "Yoruba" anywhere in the thread title, nor did I comment on the contents of the US govt memo which I posted verbatim. The responses of those who immediately saw the memo as an opportunity for ethnic conflict says more about their own state of mind, not mine.
Americans discuss their civil war, Jews learn about the holocaust, the Russians learn about the battle of Stalingrad, the British discuss the Blitz. Is Nigeria the only nation on Earth where we are not allowed to discuss our history and where any attempt to bring historical info to light must be part of an evil plot to sell books?

Max,

we are not afraid of discussing our history but there is certainly more to Nigerian history than just the civil war. There is hardly an article from you - be it an interview or a memo like this one - that does not contain the word 'Biafra' and you always make sure you highlight the provocative and inflammatory lines for emphasis. Why ? It sure would be nice to read an article from you about the Igbo man who is a commissioner in Lagos state or the Yoruba man who was a member of Ex Gov. Nnamani's cabinet in Enugu.

@Auspy,

why do you sometimes speak from both sides of your mouth ? You think that the underlined quote above from Max is a good point, yet you had predicted with your very first response on this thread that ''a village storm cometh''. What do you mean by a storm, if you had not forseen that the thread would (likely) lead to 'ethnic conflicts' ?

[superego]

Originally Posted by FSU

After reading this, I dare say, yet again that the Yoruba should apologise to the Igbo for their (Yoruba) lack of foresight at that time.

On pehalph of my Yoobas, I sincerely apologize. Indeed our sight was zero. We should have joined you Yibos and cut off. But alas, we were dumb fU^gs.

[Auspicious]

Originally Posted by Exponent

The Igbo's were the SUPERIOR tribe.

The Hausa-Fulani and the Yourba's were jealous.

shows what jealous people will do to you.

Now the Yourba's have stolen the Igbo's thunder and running around the globe masquerading like they were the "original" intelligent people from Nigeria.

pathetic.

Oloshi, Eran Iya.

Daleru-daleru ore iyawo.

Auspicious.

[Auspicious]

Originally Posted by Albany

@Auspy,

why do you sometimes speak from both sides of your mouth ?

Because my mouth is WIDE enough to swallow a Banana sidesways..or speak from as many sides of my mouth as I want, hence the name Locquacious Auspicious.

Originally Posted by Albany

@You think that the highlighted lines above from Max is a good point, yet you had predicted with your very first response on this thread that ''a village storm cometh''. What do you mean by a storm, if you had not forseen that the thread would (likely) lead to 'ethnic conflicts' ?

And I am sure you're smart enough to KNOW that my making the previous statement DOES NOT in ANY WAY suggest that I disapprove of the thread as launched/posted by Max. If anything, I find your response to his posting quite reckless, for lack of a more dramatic description.

Auspicious.

[maxsiollun]

Albany, a few points for posterity:

1) I have 20 articles published on the NVS. Of that 20, only 3 concern Biafra. Only 15% of my articles are about Biafra. How does 3 out of 20/15% of articles translate to me hardly writing an article that is not about Biafra? Please check your facts before you make blatantly false statements.

Review my index of articles and tell me honestly whether most of my articles are about Biafra:

http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/...siollun/2.html

5 of my last 6 articles were about IBB, Vatsa, Nuhu Ribadu, corruption, and Umaru Dikko/Mossad. Tell me - what do these have to do with Biafra?

3) In fact the last article I wrote that remotely concerned Biafra was a piece on the remarkable reconciliation after the civil war. I called on Nigerians to applaud themselves and be proud of how we have managed to forge national unity and remained at peace for decades despite the war.

For writing this piece, I was attacked by the very same people on this thread who are accusing me of not writing harmonious articles. Read the responses to that article and you will see the same familiar ethnic warriors on there too who in a thread that called for coming together, still found a way to derail turn it into an avenue for ethnic insults:
http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/...ciliation.html

Read the comments and you will see who the real culprits are that always battle on ethnic lines. Notice any familiar names there?
I was criticised for writing a piece heralding national reconciliation!

Like I said before, this thread is exposing many people's inherent prejudices and those who see ethnic issues where there are none.

Originally Posted by Albany

Max,

we are not afraid of discussing our history but there is certainly more to Nigerian history than just the civil war. There is hardly an article from you - be it an interview or a memo like this one - that does not contain the word 'Biafra' It sure would be nice to read an article from you about the Igbo man who is a commissioner in Lagos state or the Yoruba man who was a member of Ex Gov. Nnamani's cabinet in Enugu.

[Albany]

Originally Posted by Auspicious

Because my mouth is why enough to swallow a Banana sidesways..or speak from as many sides of my mouth as I want, hence the name Locquacious Auspicious.
And I am sure you're smart enough to KNOW that my making the previous statement DOES NOT in ANY WAY suggest that I disapprove of the thread as launched/posted by Max. If anything, I find your response to his posting quite reckless, for lack of a more dramatic description.

Auspicious.

Auspy,

well, if you do not disapprove of the thread as launched/posted by Max, then you are one of those being referred to in his quote below, since you had forseen a 'storm' (conflict). It is as simple as that.

The responses of those who immediately saw the memo as an opportunity for ethnic conflict says more about their own state of mind, not mine.

[Auspicious]

Originally Posted by Albany

Auspy,

well, if you do not disapprove of the thread as launched/posted by Max, then you are one of those being referred to in his quote below, since you had forseen a 'storm' (conflict). It is as simple as that.

The responses of those who immediately saw the memo as an opportunity for ethnic conflict says more about their own state of mind, not mine.

And I am fine with that thank you.

Auspicious.

[Albany]

Originally Posted by maxsiollun

Albany, a few points for posterity:

1) I have 20 articles published on the NVS. Of that 20, only 3 concern Biafra. Only 15% of my articles are about Biafra. How does 3 out of 20/15% of articles translate to me hardly writing an article that is not about Biafra? Please check your facts before you make blatantly false statements.

Max,

please note: i have not said that most of your articles are ABOUT Biafra. I said that they contain the word 'Biafra'. My point being that, more often than not, your articles do have, at least, a remote reference to (especially the atrocities of) the Biafran war.

[Albany]

Originally Posted by Auspicious

And I am fine with that thank you.

Auspicious.

You're welcome !

[maxsiollun]

Albany:

1) You are still not telling the truth. So you think I surreptitiously plant the word "Biafra" in articles about Umaru Dikko, the Israeli intelligence service, Nuhu Ribadu and OBJ? Ridiculous. Since you are the accuser, why don't you word search and let me know how many of my 20 NVS articles contain the word "Biafra". I repeat, only 3 out of my 20 NVS articles are about Biafra

2) So you are basically telling me that even if my articles are about other topics, I am not allowed to use the word Biafra? Are you now a censor on a public forum whose very raison d'etre for existence is the free exchange of info and discussion? Is using the word Biafra a capital offence or a felony?

3) Any comments about the other points in my post?

Originally Posted by Albany

Max,

please note: i have not said that most of your articles are ABOUT Biafra. I said that they contain the word 'Biafra'. My point being that, more often than not, your articles do have, at least, a remote reference to (especially the atrocities of) the Biafran war.