African Immigrants Clash With Black Americans

[Eja]

Originally Posted by dem

A few months ago, Abati wrote a bizarre article in which he thoroughly panned contemporary Nigerian music. But he opened up that article by arguing that the term, "Naija" is offensive. I think he claimed that "Naija" is belittling and offends the original intention of Lugard's mistress and other pioneer nation builders.

Now, should we all drop the word "Naija" for this reason?

If a Nigerian goes to Scotland and calls a Scot there "Dundee" or "Dundee United" would the Scots be offended? More importantly, would the Scots allow the Nigerian to come and put a different slant on their word?

The point some of us are making is that we shouldn't always sit back and let others redifine our words and values for us.

DEM, what also gets me is how ones can even think to say "oyinbo" is offensive with a straight face.

"Oyinbo" is "offensive" but it is alright for some English slapper (lugard) to pin the label "Nigerian" on my Yoruba self abi?

No, we never even start yet.

We will only start approaching equality when all oyinbo people start referring to themselves as such regardless of where they are on Earth.

For example, when CNN or the BBC are talking about 'expatriates' in Nigeria, they should refer to them as "oyinbo"....

As for the word "a**ta", I first became aware of it back in late 70s Lagos. Then, it was used to describe all people who are from the USA. In fact, we called the country (USA) itself "A**ta" (and this was long before any of us even stepped a foot outside Nigeria). So, this idea that the word is actually reserved just for African Americans is a new thing to me.

People need to check their memories.

Can't speak for the younger ones who came into consciousness after the crap movie "Sugarhill" had twisted the word but, there are people on this NVS who were born and bred into consciousness during the late 60s/early 70s and, my questions are directed at them : What are your first memories of the word's usage? Was it to your knowledge used specifically to describe African Americans?

[Auspicious]

Originally Posted by dem

Auspy,

A few months ago, Abati wrote a bizarre article in which he thoroughly panned contemporary Nigerian music. But he opened up that article by arguing that the term, "Naija" is offensive. I think he claimed that "Naija" is belittling and offends the original intention of Lugard's mistress and other pioneer nation builders.

Now, should we all drop the word "Naija" for this reason?

If a Nigerian goes to Scotland and calls a Scot there "Dundee" or "Dundee United" would the Scots be offended? More importantly, would the Scots allow the Nigerian to come and put a different slant on their word?

The point some of us are making is that we shouldn't always sit back and let others redifine our words and values for us.

It's a personal thing, Dem.

I respect your disagreeing with it.

But, for me, I choose NOT to use the word "ahkata"

Why? Cuz I feel more comfortable NOT using the word.

Respects,

Auspicious.

[Obugi]

Here they are again, this is from 2006.

Negroes, y'all crack me up!

LINK: Black Politicians Duke It Over English Crumbs

Mrs Ayorinde feels that for too long black people from the Caribbean have had the advantage over their African counterparts in the UK when it comes to access to social services, housing, and jobs.

"Anything that's supposed to go to us goes to the Caribbeans(sic). And the Caribbeans seem to be in charge of any resource that are available" she said on BBC television.

Thanks to the VOR for this one. Just proves the parasite angle is real.

!Get Yours!
Obugi.

[Oluwato]

This is the whole article;

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26 May, 2006 - Published 17:42 GMT
The African Caribbean debate

The late reggae star Peter Tosh once sang " no matter where you come from as long as you're a black man, you're an African."
But a row between two black UK politicians has caused a dark cloud of doubt to descend over that sentiment.
A seemingly simmering rift between the UK's African and Caribbean communities apparently only needed a spark to ignite a full-blown raging debate on relations between the two.
It was triggered by a Jamaican newspaper article by British Labour Party MP Dianne Abbot raising questions about corruption in Nigeria.
Abbott - Jamaican roots
Dianne Abbott whose roots are Jamaican - she was born in London to Jamaican parents- has had to go to great lengths to defend and clarify the article.
It has incensed some in Britain's African community who say black people from the Caribbean and Africa are different.
This issue has pitted Dianne Abbott against Lola Ayorinde, a Nigerian-born British opposition Conservative party politician.
Mrs Ayorinde feels that for too long black people from the Caribbean have had the advantage over their African counterparts in the UK when it comes to access to social services, housing, and jobs.
"Anything that's supposed to go to us goes to the Caribbeans(sic). And the Caribbeans seem to be in charge of any resource that are available" she said on BBC television.
Differences
She also highlights 'differences' between African and Caribbean peoples in Britain.
"We know by heritage they were once Africans. But those of us who came from Africa we clearly are different from them in terms of the languages we speak,we are different in terms of the priorities for our lives too."
Dianne Abbott, who herself has been accused of stoking tensions between Britain's Caribbean and African communities, cautioned against divisiveness in the UK's black community.
Writing recently in a London newspaper she declared:
Abbott comments
"As a child growing up in the tight-knit Jamaican community, I was taught as an article of faith that people from Jamaica were better than any other country in the Caribbean (whom my parents referred to as "small islanders") and that Caribbean people were infinitely superior to Africans, who lived in mud huts and did not know how to comb their hair.
Meanwhile, on the other side of the world, African children were being taught how superior they were to Caribbean people, who had been stupid enough to get sold into slavery and were all thieves anyway."
"In recent years", she noted, "some of the silly myths and antagonism have resurfaced."
Such references have angered Lola Ayorinde.
"We need first of all for the Caribbean blacks to acknowledge that we are not the same group as they are. They need to begin to learn about Africa, to begin to understand that even if they have the African heritage, they are not Africans anymore."
Taken aback by fuss
Responding to the furore over her original article, Diane Abbott wrote that she was "...taken aback by the fuss here over a recent piece I wrote about Nigeria in a Jamaican newspaper.
Although I was anxious not to cause offence, I mentioned Nigeria's pervasive corruption and the tragedy of the Niger Delta, ravaged by pollution. The article enraged many Nigerians - partly because it touched on the raw nerve of African and Caribbean relations in this country."
Dianne Abbott, the UK's first black woman member of parliament emphasises: "I think it's very important that everyone is proud of their cultural identity. But if we allow white politicians to play divide and rule, amongst the black community, nobody wins."
The Black African population in the UK is larger than the West Indian, and by 2010, it is expected that Africans will be the single largest ethnic group in the UK.
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Evil only succeeds because men allow it to... I wasn't taught that Carribeans were inferior, I don't know if that is done in some parts of Nigeria...

I don't believe that I am superior to anyone and I don't believe that anyone is superior to me, we are all equal, and that's what I teach my children... There is only one race, the HUMAN RACE... all these divisions only hurt us!

[Obugi]

Yeah, the funny thing is Negroes are almost always fighting over something created by another race. Negroes are parasites!

Negroes fight over the White Man's economic goodies.

Negroes hate, denigrate and condemn each other over the White Man's or Arab Man's religion. You are not saved, you're going to hell because Massa's God loves me more than you

Negroes bring hate and division into their own families based on the White Man's prescriptions of what a family should be.

Negroes kill each other to maintain nation-states designed by and for the benefit of the White Man.

In every case, the benefits of this fighting and self hate always flow to the owners of the religion, economy and so on.

What a people!

I say what a people!!!

!Get Yours!
Obugi.

[Oluwato]

Originally Posted by Obugi

Yeah, the funny thing is Negroes are almost always fighting over something created by another race. Negroes are parasites!

Negroes fight over the White Man's economic goodies.

Negroes hate, denigrate and condemn each other over the White Man's or Arab Man's religion. You are not saved, you're going to hell because Massa's God loves me more than you

Negroes bring hate and division into their own families based on the White Man's prescriptions of what a family should be.

Negroes kill each other to maintain nation-states designed by and for the benefit of the White Man.

In every case, the benefits of this fighting and self hate always flow to the owners of the religion, economy and so on.

What a people!

I say what a people!!!

!Get Yours!
Obugi.

That some are biased does not mean that all are biased, get a positive attitude for a change you've been angry for TOO LONG!

[Obugi]

Oluwato,

Originally Posted by Oluwato

That some are biased does not mean that all are biased, get a positive attitude for a change you've been angry for TOO LONG!

Get a Christian attitude and stop berating me for speaking my mind. I think there's a verse about how to talk and reason to your fellow man, unless it applies only to Xtians, I wouldn't be surprised.

Just put me on ignore if you see nothing in my writing worth a reasoned exchange of comments. Does the truth bother you this much?

!Get Yours!
Obugi.

[Oluwato]

Originally Posted by Obugi

Oluwato,

Get a Christian attitude and stop berating me for speaking my mind.

It is the Christian attitude, like you really know what Christian is.

Originally Posted by Obugi

I think there's a verse about how to talk and reason to your fellow man, unless it applies only to Xtians, I wouldn't be surprised.

Do a search and let me know, aren't you now the "authority" on Christianity?

Originally Posted by Obugi

Just put me on ignore if you see nothing in my writing worth a reasoned exchange of comments.

Consider our discourse reasoned. I am entitled to my opinion as well or is free speech unChristian too... in your bible?

Originally Posted by Obugi

Does the truth bother you this much?
!Get Yours!
Obugi.

If it were the truth to begin with. And no, I am not bothered, enjoy your rage, the truth sure bothers you!

[Obugi]

The self hatred of Negroes is well illustrated in the truth of the quote below:

As a child growing up in the tight-knit Jamaican community, I was taught as an article of faith that people from Jamaica were better than any other country in the Caribbean (whom my parents referred to as "small islanders") and that Caribbean people were infinitely superior to Africans, who lived in mud huts and did not know how to comb their hair.
Meanwhile, on the other side of the world, African children were being taught how superior they were to Caribbean people, who had been stupid enough to get sold into slavery and were all thieves anyway."
"In recent years", she noted, "some of the silly myths and antagonism have resurfaced."

That is why immigrant African Christians never see it fit to embrace Black Americans even in Church, always running off to go form their own Churches; then of course the tribalism goes even further into Yoruba Churches, Igbo Churches, Nupe churches, Congo Churches, Ashanti Churches...all clutching their Bibles while hating each other so much they can't find it in themselves to congregate and worship their one true Jesus together.

I asked some Africans about this and they shamefacedly muttered some of the usual stereotypes about Jamo this and that, how Black Americans are evil and immoral, this coming from people who hammer nails into the heads of their children, people for whom lying is a norm, people who would sooner marry a Caucasian than an Osu.

The African Xtian! What an animal!



!Get Yours!
Obugi.

[Exponent]

Originally Posted by Obugi

The self hatred of Negroes is well illustrated in the truth of the quote below:



That is why immigrant African Christians never see it fit to embrace Black Americans even in Church, always running off to go form their own Churches; then of course the tribalism goes even further into Yoruba Churches, Igbo Churches, Nupe churches, Congo Churches, Ashanti Churches...all clutching their Bibles while hating each other so much they can't find it in themselves to congregate and worship their one true Jesus together.

I asked some Africans about this and they shamefacedly muttered some of the usual stereotypes about Jamo this and that, how Black Americans are evil and immoral, this coming from people who hammer nails into the heads of their children, people for whom lying is a norm, people who would sooner marry a Caucasian than an Osu.

The African Xtian! What an animal!



!Get Yours!
Obugi.

Damn!

True!

[DaBishop]

Originally Posted by Obugi

The self hatred of Negroes is well illustrated in the truth of the quote below:



That is why immigrant African Christians never see it fit to embrace Black Americans even in Church, always running off to go form their own Churches; then of course the tribalism goes even further into Yoruba Churches, Igbo Churches, Nupe churches, Congo Churches, Ashanti Churches...all clutching their Bibles while hating each other so much they can't find it in themselves to congregate and worship their one true Jesus together.

The African Xtian! What an animal!



!Get Yours!
Obugi.

Bruz:
I see ya non-negroid perfect loving up there...as in every thread...
I can feel ya love for da Africans, so much it hurts...ouch!