African Immigrants Clash With Black Americans

[Obugi]

From the Mon, Oct 19 Edition of the NY Times.

LINK: Fighting For The Crumbs: African Immigrants Vs Black Americans

After reports of nearly two dozen attacks on West African immigrants in the last two years, community leaders reached out to the police, who interviewed 17 Africans in the neighborhood and filed 11 criminal complaints. Two of those were deemed hate crimes, including an attack in June that left a Gambian immigrant hospitalized for eight days. They have made no arrest in either bias case, but a police mobile truck with a video camera now stands outside the mosque.

Keep fighting for those crumbs, Negroes!

! Get Yours !
Obugi.

[denker]

Mr. superego raising hand to make a point to Mr. Obugi and several West African customers who are dressed as New Yorkers rather than in traditional West African attire in their effort to blend in with their neighbors rather than stand out.

get yours, bruders

[lateesha]

why are they being attacked
Obugi learn to attach links to your threads.

[Obugi]

Lateesha,

Originally Posted by lateesha

why are they being attacked
Obugi learn to attach links to your threads.

The link is there, look carefully. The second line of the post is a URL link. It says LINK right there in capital letters. I was surprised yesterday when you said there was no link with the Pastor Fraud story too, because I did supply one. Maybe I'm using an unusual font or color. This one is blue.

See it now? There you go.......have a nice day.

Obugi.

[lateesha]

Ok
seen it

Claremont straddles the 44th and 42nd Precincts, two of the city’s most dangerous neighborhoods. This year, there have been 319 robberies in the 44th Precinct and 237 assaults in the 42nd. At the Butler Houses, part of a complex of housing projects that loom over the neighborhood, police sirens provide a background soundtrack, and residents of all colors and nationalities caution against walking around at night.

The above says it all.
You cannot live in the valley of shadow of death and expect anything good

[Bill Carson]

Originally Posted by denker

Mr. superego raising hand to make a point to Mr. Obugi and several West African customers who are dressed as New Yorkers rather than in traditional West African attire in their effort to blend in with their neighbors rather than stand out.

get yours, bruders

Herr Denker,

What Economic and Social Benefits will this Mujahedeen’s contribute to the Great City of New York?…. I hear say your Oga Hitler still get Gas Chambers for Germany, maybe them need am for New York New York the Beautiful city of Frank Sinatra….

[Auspicious]

+

Err...where's Rose?

I say where's my Rosey?!

Auspy.

[I Love Nigeria]

There are lingering mutual suspicions between continental Africans and African Americans... and this is quickly exacerbated by tough economic times... it is tough, struggling in the bottom wrung of society... There are no winners in these sorts of clashes... we should not give the appearance of rooting for any sides in this clash.

http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/...rants-etc.html

Continental Africans, African Americans and other peoples of African descent are broadly speaking, completely disengaged. There is a seething, if unstated antagonism. There is this mutual suspicion of intents and motives. There are these misconceptions and misperception between and within all our peoples. So, they reinvent integration and acceleration into America individually, painfully and slowly.

In both private and public conversations and debates or interactions, you would come across utterances by some immigrants who sound disdainfully contemptuous of all African Americans. In recent internet example, of such encounters that I have had, some African immigrants came across as if they were scrambling to justify the humiliations and indignities Professor Gates received in the hands of certain police officers in Cambridge Massachusetts! And their fetid defense of the police behavior met with vehement rejection by some other African immigrants as well.

On the matter of showing some respect and being sensitive to the sons and daughters of the soil, think and imagine for instance, that you are in your country, where historically, you have battled your own government for your rights, battled banks, all manner of institutions, entities even nonentities! And now comes, these clueless or undiscerning recent immigrants with condescension and superiority complexes!

I can only imagine how African Americans must feel about their life in America, and I example a snippet, to wit, I am in Nigeria struggling, and here comes a snotty clueless immigrant to Nigeria. I do probably wish to wring his neck!

[N.A.R.]

Obugi,
You don come with another hard hitter. Anyhow, both sides are guilty. You need to look no further than this very website and see that Africans or since we are mainly Nigerians do not have such a high regard for the African American population. And Vice versa when you sometimes read comments from NVS African American members like Pooky. (Sometimes I read her comments and wonder if she is truly married to a Nigerian, but then I remind myself that we Nigerians are as hard on ourselves or worse than she is many with her remarks). on the statement below:

“They think they’re better than black people,” (NAR: Okay Villagers answer; True or false statement?) James Carroll, a retired Army specialist standing in front of a busy convenience store, said of the West African immigrants. “We’re supposed to be one community — we’re supposed to be able to get along — but they don’t give it a chance.”

So who really does not give the other side a chance? Then The last line I read below;

“African clothes are dangerous,” he said. “I used to wear them, but I saw a few people get beat up, so now I wear New York clothes.”

I think that statement is why many times we are despised and its not just Africans, but all immigrants. The American way of life in itself is its own culture and when anyone, African, or others stray away from this culture, these is certainly a push back. And for years the American culture is in lock step with Christian beliefs, hence why these groups of immigrants are getting even further push back with their religious beliefs. When I go to church in my Nigerian outfits as I do on many occasions, I always get compliments on how nice the outfits look.

Speaking on church I give another example, of this issue that not directly related, but indirectly related. My church has four separate congregations all under the same church. We have the Traditional Congregation, and then we have the African Congregation, the Latino Congregation and most recently the Faith Renaissance Congregation. The African congregation is mainly Sierra Leoneans as it is an offshoot of a mission to Sierra Leone after the war. Their Pastor usually preches in Krio. Every now and then, there are services at which all four congregations participate.

I use the example of show how there can be harmony and unity, while still respecting the differences in the society. I will freely say, I am not in 100% agreement with the various congregations, but I recognize the value of having them and their importance to ensuring that the church accommodates peoples differences and is more inclusive rather than divisive.

With this in mind, if the African and African American communities can have bases on which they can agree on, then they can co-exist together. But I must say indeed poverty also have something to do with all this nonsense. I mean affluent African and Affluent African American co-exist pretty well in PG County here in Maryland!

Finally, I would say, when we Africans and African Americans cannot get along with ourselves (recall that Chicago killing) how do we expect to get along with others?

[DeepThought]

Thank you ILN for the above.

Just so you know that I still don't agree with you in the main and on anything else, let me just add: ILN, you dey crase O!


(That is just to nullify the effect of the thank you - God forbid that I will agree with ILN on anything )

[Auspicious]

Originally Posted by I Love Nigeria

There are lingering mutual suspicions between continental Africans and African Americans... and this is quickly exacerbated by tough economic times... it is tough, struggling in the bottom wrung of society... There are no winners in these sorts of clashes... we should not give the appearance of rooting for any sides in this clash.

http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/...rants-etc.html

Continental Africans, African Americans and other peoples of African descent are broadly speaking, completely disengaged. There is a seething, if unstated antagonism. There is this mutual suspicion of intents and motives. There are these misconceptions and misperception between and within all our peoples. So, they reinvent integration and acceleration into America individually, painfully and slowly.

In both private and public conversations and debates or interactions, you would come across utterances by some immigrants who sound disdainfully contemptuous of all African Americans. In recent internet example, of such encounters that I have had, some African immigrants came across as if they were scrambling to justify the humiliations and indignities Professor Gates received in the hands of certain police officers in Cambridge Massachusetts! And their fetid defense of the police behavior met with vehement rejection by some other African immigrants as well.

On the matter of showing some respect and being sensitive to the sons and daughters of the soil, think and imagine for instance, that you are in your country, where historically, you have battled your own government for your rights, battled banks, all manner of institutions, entities even nonentities! And now comes, these clueless or undiscerning recent immigrants with condescension and superiority complexes!

I can only imagine how African Americans must feel about their life in America, and I example a snippet, to wit, I am in Nigeria struggling, and here comes a snotty clueless immigrant to Nigeria. I do probably wish to wring his neck!

Oh My God, ILN!

What's the matter with you, Man? It's like you can't help patronizing!

Next you'd come and whine about how some of us Africans like to put ourselves down.

Aren't your bolded comments as bad as the ones you criticize some of us for on this Forum?

Yet you minister to us not to "give the appearance of rooting for any sides in this clash". Helloo?

Oh Lord, deliver us from Paul "I Love Nigeria" Adujie..

Auspicious.

[I Love Nigeria]

Auspicious What you read up there represent my true/sincere feelings on these matters... I straddle both sides of the debate... I have known Nigerians, Africans and Caribbean immigrants to display uncouth attitudes towards African Americans... But, this is no to suggest that African Americans are without their own faults...

Auspicious should imagine, as I have, being in Nigeria, and having the glory and great fortune of being in the presence of a recent immigrant to Nigeria, who is opinionated about Auspicious' attitude to work and pretty much, everything else.... while remaining insular to the structural lopsidedness of Nigeria... this is exactly what many recent immigrants to America do to African Americans... African Americans are the whipping "boys" of every immigrant and I, resent that!



While at the same time, I recognize that recent immigrants have incredible economic pressure and adjustment/integration issues to contend with... and so, they tend to be too self-focused/absorbed.

Please refrain from quoting me out of contexts! Stop parsing the thrusts of my argument!

http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/...rants-etc.html

It is crucially important that the world does not forget or gloss over the Herculean tasks it have been on the part of African Americans, who through sweat, tears and blood, have remade, re-engineered and reconfigured America for America, for the world, for immigrants of all races, but in particular, for all minorities, then continental African immigrants and other immigrants of African descent. All those who come to America ought feel and see this.

This, put in proper contexts and perspectives, requires a continental African immigrant or an immigrant from the Caribbean to US who may think as tough, the effects of race as a factor in how life is live or the vicissitudes and complications which could have been much worse, were it not the case, that African Americans have for hundreds of years fought our battles, cried our tears, sweat our sweat and bled our bloods.

[Auspicious]

Originally Posted by I Love Nigeria

Please refrain from quoting me out of contexts! Stop parsing the thrusts of my argument!

Two Questions:

1. Would you kindly reveal precisely how I quoted you out of context?

2. Do you realize you are still flouting your own rules of not taking sides?

I will appreciate if you can keep it simple and straight to the point.

Auspicious.

[I Love Nigeria]

Auspicious I am primarily addressing what I might call "Cause and Effect" here.

1. Some immigrants do come across as invaders/usurpers, who are splendidly uninterested in the hunt, but merely only interested in the spoils.

2. Naturally, such persons come across like mercenaries. It is the case that there is tremendous struggle at the bottom... and as Obugi would put it, the struggle for the crumbs

On the matter of showing some respect and being sensitive to the sons and daughters of the soil, think and imagine for instance, that you are in your country, where historically, you have battled your own government for your rights, battled banks, all manner of institutions, entities even nonentities! And now comes, these clueless or undiscerning recent immigrants with condescension and superiority complexes!

I can only imagine how African Americans must feel about their life in America, and I example a snippet, to wit, I am in Nigeria struggling, and here comes a snotty clueless immigrant to Nigeria. I do probably wish to wring his neck!

3. Here is an excerpt from The New York Times article under review.... the Africans themselves admitted their own aloofness or distance from the community of African Americans where they the Africans live!

Kantara Baragi, the imam of the Al Tawba mosque, acknowledges that insularity is part of the problem. “We don’t hang around,” said Mr. Baragi, whose delicate frame nearly disappears inside his long, flowing robes. “We just go to work. We don’t have a relationship with people here. They don’t know us.”

Auspicious, have you read the article as I have? I read it in its entirety, highlighted and underlined parts which caught my eye as source or contributing source of the problems.

No Relationship.... They Don't Know Us.... "reason" and room for the distrust and suspicion... then add economic struggle, cultural attitudes and different religion etc!

[Rose]

Once again...substitute any other ethnicity you'd like and it's still the same.


http://academic.udayton.edu/Race/06h...m/racial05.htm

The Racial Lessons of 9/11

by Carol Chehade


Like countless immigrant communities before 9-11, many Arab Americans freely participated in covert and overt acts of racism against African Americans. This is no secret to most Black people who already knew that Arab Americans have the same type of superiority complex that European Americans do. This superiority complex is not only evident in the way we act toward them, but the way we choose to disassociate ourselves from their community. Our disassociation would not be so evident if we weren't ruthlessly trying to move up the racial hierarchy so that we can be closer to Whiteness. Unfortunately, every non-Black immigrant group has worked hard to secure a so-called respectable place above Blacks on the racial hierarchy. When groups like Italians, Jews, Hispanics, Asians, and now Arabs have faced their turn to be questioned on their allegiance toward upholding the protocol of the caste structure, few fully challenged the legitimacy of this racist pre-condition to be accepted as Americans. In other words, none of these immigrant groups aggressively acted in a way where they stood by the lowest on the hierarchal racial order.

As the Arab American community contends with the discrimination we're facing, we have been a little more sympathetic about some of the issues African Americans have always contended with, but which we did not believe until they started happening to us. Instead of seeing the bigger picture of racism by creating permanent and stronger ties with the Black community, we often use them as a temporary residence where we find people sensitive to our plight. I say temporary because we are not trying to stay "Black." In contrast, the only impermanent feelings we have toward Whites is that our eviction from Whiteness is nothing more than a temporary inconvenience. As long as we repay our dues by not challenging Whiteness in any real way then Whites, in exchange, will trust us again and re-induct us back into the racial position we held prior to 9-11. History shows us that as long as we follow the formula of selling out our color to the highest bidder, then Whiteness will accept us back quicker than they will Blacks.

[Auspicious]

Originally Posted by I Love Nigeria

blah-blah-blah..

Again, Mr. Adujie:

1. Would you kindly reveal precisely how I quoted you out of context?

2. Do you realize you are still flouting your own rules of not taking sides?

I will appreciate if you can keep it simple and straight to the point.

Auspicious.

[Rose]

@ILN, have you read this?

http://www.nathanielturner.com/whyaf...anthinking.htm

Why Africa Is Not Israel in Today's African-American Thinking

Rudolph Lewis

[I Love Nigeria]

To Mr. Auspicious I must restate to you that; I am by no means advocating that anyone of our general groups, let others of our groups, rollover and allow others to walk all over them. NO. But we must all learn to be sensitive, be alert, don’t always harried and hurried while ignoring the elephant in the room, so to speak. Never be oblivious of the conditions on the ground, and the history of it all, wherever you live on earth. Take steps to ensure, that you are not perceived as a snub, a rough and gruff person who in ill-attuned the persisting injustices. Again, remember the reasons why a caged bird sings.

And to my sister Rose Instead, I make bold to assert that no Jew comes from Russia, Ukraine, Israel, Argentina and all the other places in between in the world from where Jews come to America, and then, practice as first order of business, disrespect for American Jews! I doubt that there is any Jew, who emigrates from some place to America, and proceed to look down on American Jews! Quite to the contrary, they forge partnerships. No usurper no usurped.

They actively cultivate each other. They form symbiotic relationships which have been mutually beneficial. So much so that American Jews might have facilitated the emigration of a Jew from Russia.

Then they ensure the quick adjustment of status and both economic and political assimilation of the new Jewish immigrant, as such, she accelerate into the increase of American Jew’s economic and political power base. This adds to empower the Jews, it strengthens them against the odds and vagaries of life in America, and they in turn, enable excellent America pro-Israel policy through AIPAC and others. And same can be said for the Irish American, or pretty much most other ethnic group of America’s so-called melting-pot.

Continental Africans and all peoples of African descent sorely need lessons in unity, cohesion and economic/political clout for our common good

[Auspicious]

Originally Posted by I Love Nigeria

Auspicious I am by no means advocating that anyone of our general groups, let others of our groups, rollover and allow others to walk all over them. NO. But we must all learn to be sensitive, be alert, don’t always harried and hurried while ignoring the elephant in the room, so to speak. Never be oblivious of the conditions on the ground, and the history of it all, wherever you live on earth. Take steps to ensure, that you are not perceived as a snub, a rough and gruff person who in ill-attuned the persisting injustices. Again, remember the reasons why a caged bird sings.

For the umpteenth time, Mr. Adujie:

1. Would you kindly reveal precisely how I quoted you out of context?

2. Do you realize you are still flouting your own rules of not taking sides?

I will appreciate if you can keep it simple and straight to the point.

Respectfully,

Auspicious.

[lateesha]

This is about African Americans attacking and maiming African immigrants in south Bronx,why am I reading about Arab Americans and transpacific Americans.
Can we stick to the topic and address these hooligans who are attacking people who did them no harm.
Is there ever any justification for this sort of action?

My only advise will be that these immigrants encourage their children to get good education and move out of those hell holes where these things run rampant.
Personally,I would not go around areas with large gatherings of African American or hispanic youngsters with sagging pants.I 'll rather get lost than stop in these places to ask for directions.

Our first apartment in this country was in the den of thieves, a 99% AA neighbourhood filled with single mothers (by choice) and hardened criminal looking agents,we didn't know any better and we took the first affordable apartment that gave us a place without any credit history.Little did we know we had moved into the hub of area boys and girls.
On several ocassions,gun shots exploded in the air as we slept
kakakakadudududu!
It looked like I was in the Biafran war.
As soon as the lease expired,we bolted.
Thank God for his protection.