FBI Kills An Imam in Detroit?

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FBI Kills An Imam in Detroit


October 31, 2009
Prayers and Criticism in Wake of Detroit Imam’s Killing
by F.B.I. By SUSAN SAULNY

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DETROIT — Friday prayers were intoned on schedule at the red brick two-story house on the west side that is a makeshift home for the Masjid Al-Haqq mosque.

But leading the prayers was a son of the mosque’s imam, Luqman Ameen Abdullah, who was killed by federal agents in a raid on Wednesday. The son, Omar Regan, 36, a comedian and motivational speaker, flew from Los Angeles to mourn and defend his father, who was described in federal court papers as a separatist Muslim intent on overthrowing the United States government.

“My father was a sharp-tongued individual,” Mr. Regan said. “He would talk about his dislike of the government, about how law enforcement wasn’t protecting and serving the people. But speaking his emotions and acting on his emotions are two different things.”

Mr. Regan’s sentiments were echoed by many Muslims here and across the country on Thursday and Friday, as some leaders portrayed the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s counterterrorism squad of using heavy-handed tactics against Mr. Abdullah, who was not accused of terrorism.

Asked why Mr. Abdullah had not been charged with terrorism, the United States attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan, Terrence Berg, said, “The charges speak for themselves.”

Mr. Abdullah, 53, died in a shootout in the raid of a warehouse just outside the city, in Dearborn, where he stored goods. The raid was one of three in which federal agents said were intended to arrest Mr. Abdullah and 10 other men on charges that included conspiracy to sell stolen goods, mail fraud and illegal possession of firearms. But the authorities said Mr. Abdullah, who had a lengthy criminal record and was forbidden to have a firearm, opened fire on the agents.

He died of multiple gunshot wounds, said a spokesman for the Wayne County coroner.

“I’m comfortable with what our agents did,” said Andrew G. Arena, special agent in charge of the Detroit division of the F.B.I. “They did what they had to do to protect themselves.”

Two of the 11 defendants remain at large; one, Mujahid Carswell, 30, another son of Mr. Abdullah, was arrested Thursday in Canada. (Law enforcement officials said Mr. Abdullah’s shots killed an F.B.I. dog, Freddy, who is to be honored for dying in the line of duty, officials said.)

A 43-page criminal complaint described Mr. Abdullah as the belligerent leader of a faction of a group called the Ummah, meaning “the Brotherhood,” which advocates the establishment of a separate nation governed by Islamic laws within the United States. The authorities had been monitoring him for years.

In January, city officials evicted Mr. Abdullah’s mosque, which counts about 25 families as members, from its original location for failure to pay property taxes. He relocated to the two-story home on the west side. During the eviction, the police said, officers found two guns and about 40 other weapons in Mr. Abdullah’s apartment.

Law enforcement officials said they were concerned about retaliation in the wake of Mr. Abdullah’s death.

But the federal complaint on which Wednesday’s raid was based also shows how much trouble Mr. Abdullah and his associates had in executing even basic criminal schemes, like switching the vehicle identification numbers on a stolen truck, or selling stolen laptops. While full of bravado, they are characterized in the complaint as being a far cry from masterminds, a notion that some of Mr. Abdullah’s acquaintances supported.

“They knew a long time ago that this was a penny ante operation, and they could have stopped it,” Abdullah El-Amin, an imam at the Muslim Center, Detroit’s largest black mosque, said of federal authorities. “It didn’t have to get to this point, people getting killed.”

Mr. El-Amin said he had known Mr. Abdullah for more than 20 years, although they had never attended the same mosque. Mr. El-Amin said he had heard Mr. Abdullah talk about wanting a separate state, but described it as “sort of like the Pennsylvania Dutch have their own communities and stuff.” Some, but not all, mainstream Muslim leaders agreed that Mr. Abdullah had held that view.

“The very incendiary rhetoric that the F.B.I. alleges, I never heard that from him,” said Dawud Walid, executive director of the Michigan chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations. “There was nothing extraordinary about him.”

The Muslim Public Affairs Council, a policy and advocacy group based in Los Angeles, is calling for an investigation of Mr. Abdullah’s killing, which it describes as “deeply disturbing.”

But Eide A. Alawan, director of the office of interfaith outreach at the Islamic Center of America, one of the largest Muslim centers in the Midwest, in Dearborn, took a critical view of Mr. Abdullah and his defenders.

“This is not the first time in history that someone has used a religion to do some harm in the name of faith,” Mr. Alawan said. “Now is an opportune time for some to show their militancy. It gets attention. But it’s no different than the Ku Klux Klan in the 40s and 50s using the cross.”

The Muslim Alliance in North America, a national network based in Lexington, Ky., expressed shock at the killing of Mr. Abdullah, who served on its governing body.

“Reference to the Ummah as a ‘nationwide radical fundamentalist Sunni group consisting primarily of African-Americans’ is an offensive mischaracterization,” the group said in a statement.

“To those who have worked with Imam Luqman A. Abdullah,” it continued, “allegations of illegal activity, resisting arrest, and ‘offensive jihad against the American government’ are shocking and inconsistent. In his ministry he consistently advocated for the downtrodden and always spoke about the importance of connecting with the needs of the poor.”

A funeral for Mr. Abdullah is scheduled for Saturday at the Muslim Center in Detroit.

Mary M. Chapman contributed reporting from Detroit, and Emma Graves Fitzsimmons from Chicago.

[superego]

Yea I heard the story at Mosque this Friday.

Basically, they Have Fibi in every mosque, etc, etc. So, the Fibi had been following him for 2 years and had nothing on him but frivolous charges like selling power drinks illegally, buying goods from street cats and his support of US republican gun laws.

So they sent a dog in, he a gun ready guy, shot the dog and then it was 17 bullet holes in him. A guy, as my Mosque Imam said, all they needed do to get him in was ask my Mosque Imam to bring him over, and theyd have walked in hand in hand.

Neeway, it's their loss and his gain. According to Islam, once u are killed/murdered, be u Muslim, Christian, Jew or other, the murderer takes up all ur sin and u are clean.

[Bunch17]

Suicide by FBI?

[No Smoking]

Originally Posted by superego

Neeway, it's their loss and his gain. According to Islam, once u are killed/murdered, be u Muslim, Christian, Jew or other, the murderer takes up all ur sin and u are clean.

Is that the drive for suicide bombers....

As for the late Imam, if he was banned from having a gun/licence, yet carried firearms, he was asking for it, eh!

[superego]

Originally Posted by No Smoking

Is that the drive for suicide bombers....

As for the late Imam, if he was banned from having a gun/licence, yet carried firearms, he was asking for it, eh!

1. Being killed innocently is the opposite of self killing...and killing innocents while u at it. I'm sure u know this. (U kill urself, u take up ur sin by same token, plus one additional huge sin of self killing).

2. If all those possessing guns while not licensed in US were raided and killed, the population will cut by half.

3. The possession of a weapon was not the reason for his assassination...or was it?

Neeway, I am very not concerned with discussing this case. It's of no significance this day and age. Thanks.

[nijalaw]

I saw the headline & quickly assumed it was the demise of Sappyego but was sadly dissapointed as my memory told me Sappy lives in NY but all the same the pic serves as a good look alike to Sappy.

[No Smoking]

Wetin Sappyego dey preach...

[tonsoyo]

A robber who steals other people cars and trucks and is armed is an armed robber.

If you shot at Law Enforcement Agents including their dogs walked by human agents you are liable to be shot back at in defense. Good riddance.

One terrorist down! More to go.

This is not Pakistan!

[No Smoking]

Originally Posted by tonsoyo

A robber who steals other people cars and trucks and is armed is an armed robber.

If you shot at Law Enforcement Agents including their dogs walked by human agents you are liable to be shot back at in defense. Good riddance.

One terrorist down! More to go.

This is not Pakistan!

Ehn, but di mutum wey deh da picture be laik "home-grown", instead of Pakistani-import.

[blooming_i]

Originally Posted by No Smoking

Ehn, but di mutum wey deh da picture be laik "home-grown", instead of Pakistani-import.

Home-grown or not, it's the same mindset.

[No Smoking]

As Dubya said,

The trouble with imports is that they come from abroad..

..

[liloldlady]

Originally Posted by I Love Nigeria

FBI Kills An Imam in Detroit


October 31, 2009
Prayers and Criticism in Wake of Detroit Imam’s Killing
by F.B.I. By SUSAN SAULNY

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/31/us...gewanted=print
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DETROIT — Friday prayers were intoned on schedule at the red brick two-story house on the west side that is a makeshift home for the Masjid Al-Haqq mosque.

But leading the prayers was a son of the mosque’s imam, Luqman Ameen Abdullah, who was killed by federal agents in a raid on Wednesday. The son, Omar Regan, 36, a comedian and motivational speaker, flew from Los Angeles to mourn and defend his father, who was described in federal court papers as a separatist Muslim intent on overthrowing the United States government.

“My father was a sharp-tongued individual,” Mr. Regan said. “He would talk about his dislike of the government, about how law enforcement wasn’t protecting and serving the people. But speaking his emotions and acting on his emotions are two different things.”

This is another example of a so called religious leader, who is so hateful of lawfully constituted authority, due to a hidden agenda,
Typical of his type.....they spew hate and radicalize the malleable amongt their clueless followers.
Those ones then end up believing the fastest way to Heaven, is blowing everybody up.

Stacks of these fools litter SW Atlanta, fooling the ignorant, and most times running an underground criminal enterprise.
What they don't tell their followers is that they hate law enforcement, because of their innate hate for those, who will lawfully oppose their criminal enterprise.

[Mikky jaga]

A religious leader engaged in criminal activity deserves to be shot. It does not matter whether he is Christian, Muslim, Jewish or anything else.

[I Love Nigeria]

Mikky Jaga wrote

A religious leader engaged in criminal activity deserves to be shot. It does not matter whether he is Christian, Muslim, Jewish or anything else.

Really Mikky Jaga

So, never mind the NONSENSE called fair hearing and the shenanigans called trial or due proces abi

I think it is quite one thing to argue that there were exigent circumstances which excuses extra judicial killing of this person, and Boko Haram extremists... such as perceived deathly danger from extremists by law enforcement agents in Maiduguri or as in this case, in Detroit...

It is quite another thing... and an absurd thing at that... to say anyone ... RELIGIOUS or not.... engaged in criminal activity, deserves to be shot... what type of jungle is that?

Your worldview is concave... sublime and even ridiculous...

[DaBishop]

Originally Posted by tonsoyo

One terrorist down! More to go.

This is not Pakistan!

That was classic George Bushspeak...full of exuberance...accuse, label then eliminate your enemies without respect to the law or constitution...we excused him; it was based on ignorance of the law...cronies too loyal to tell him the truth... and a fired brain from rumored early substance abuse perhaps, but coming from a lawyer, haba!

I thought we have the change we can believe in...now...but what do I know?

p.s. ...and I sincerely hope that no sane person uses this my support for the rule of law for even alleged/suspected law-breakers to say I support terrorism!

[tonsoyo]

Originally Posted by DaBishop

That was classic George Bushspeak...full of exuberance...accuse, label then eliminate your enemies without respect to the law or constitution...we excused him; it was based on ignorance of the law...cronies too loyal to tell him the truth... and a fired brain from rumored early substance abuse perhaps, but coming from a lawyer, haba!

I thought we have the change we can believe in...now...but what do I know?

p.s. ...and I sincerely hope that no sane person uses this my support for the rule of law for even alleged/suspected law-breakers to say I support terrorism!

DaBishop,
Your comment here is appalling and mischievous coming from a Lawyer.

It is mischievous because you delibrately ignored the premises preceding that conclusion, upon which that conclusion was based, highlighted the conclusion out of context and then proceeded to reach your inevitably ridiculous conclusion.

I wrote in the beginning of that post why that killing is jusitified. It is reported that not only this ex-convict who was not suppose to have a gun had guns, he went on and shot law enforcement officers and even our resident Boko Haram leader admitted he killed one of them.
As you must be aware dogs are law enforcement agents with their own badge numbers in the USA. If he killed the dog, the accompanying officers have every reasonable ground to believe that their own lives were in apparent danger and shot back in self-defense, coupled with the criminal history of the deceased.

But in your own wisdom, the reason I thought the killing was justified was because I "laballed" him a terrorist.
How more ridiculous can you get sir?

[DaBishop]

[quote=tonsoyo;401786]DaBishop,

Your comment here is appalling and mischievous coming from a Lawyer.


It is mischievous because you delibrately ignored the premises preceding that conclusion, upon which that conclusion was based, highlighted the conclusion out of context and then proceeded to reach your inevitably ridiculous conclusion.

Let us examine your premises:
1. He is a felon
2. He has fire-arm
3. He fires at law enforcement...so
4. He is a terrorist?

Haba...sounds like Ashcroft...
they have broken immigration laws, they have run a red light so we shall hold them as 'terrorists' and spy on them all 750 of them...read his book...'Never Again'

I wrote in the beginning of that post why that killing is jusitified. It is reported that not only this ex-convict who was not suppose to have a gun had guns, he went on and shot law enforcement officers and even our resident Boko Haram leader admitted he killed one of them.
As you must be aware dogs are law enforcement agents with their own badge numbers in the USA. If he killed the dog, the accompanying officers have every reasonable ground to believe that their own lives were in apparent danger and shot back in self-defense, coupled with the criminal history of the deceased.

Every lawyer knows that every accused person is presumed innocent until proven...even when caught red handed, it is the court of law that determines guilt, not law enforcement that becomes the prosecutor to executor of justice...except in war...'war on terror'...ring any bells yet? Then they are not human, you can shoot to kill, right? So if he is labeled 'terrorist' his execution is justified.

But in your own wisdom, the reason I thought the killing was justified was because I "laballed" him a terrorist.
How more ridiculous can you get sir?

I support law enforcement, emphasis on the law, get it? (as a new immigrant I used to send money to the police service organizations...till ma wife stopped me that they were preying on ma generosity). You labelled him terrorist, now can we hear your reasoning please. BTW, I am a pentecostal tongue talking demon-chasing fundamentalist believer in Jesus Christ of Nazareth....ma brother pastor, whom I send help to has suffered too in the hand of Islamists in Jos...before I get labelled 'terrorist' here for having a contrary opinion...

[tonsoyo]

[quote=DaBishop;401791]

Originally Posted by tonsoyo

DaBishop,


Let us examine your premises:
1. He is a felon
2. He has fire-arm
3. He fires at law enforcement...so
4. He is a terrorist?

Haba...sounds like Ashcroft...
they have broken immigration laws, they have run a red light so we shall hold them as 'terrorists' and spy on them all 750 of them...read his book...'Never Again'

TONSOYO SAYS:
I do not know your own definition of a terrorist in America, as a practising Lawyer in this country, I know merely threatening somebody with physical bodily arm is known as terroristic threat and it is felony! This would make whoever is making such a threat a domestic terrorist under the laws of this country!
This guy has been reported to have threatened the authorities on many occasion including treasonable felony of threatening to break up America.


Every lawyer knows that every accused person is presumed innocent until proven...even when caught red handed, it is the court of law that determines guilt, not law enforcement that becomes the prosecutor to executor of justice...except in war...'war on terror'...ring any bells yet? Then they are not human, you can shoot to kill, right? So if he is labeled 'terrorist' his execution is justified.

TONSOYO SAYS:
This is so funny! Did you expect the Officers to rush to the court and get a judgment when they were being shot at! When their fellow agent has been shot dead? Amazing! Dust your law books sir! It is their right to exercise self-defense!

I support law enforcement, emphasis on the law, get it? (as a new immigrant I used to send money to the police service organizations...till ma wife stopped me that they were preying on ma generosity). You labelled him terrorist, now can we hear your reasoning please. BTW, I am a pentecostal tongue talking demon-chasing fundamentalist believer in Jesus Christ of Nazareth....ma brother pastor, whom I send help to has suffered too in the hand of Islamists in Jos...before I get labelled 'terrorist' here for having a contrary opinion...

TONSOYO SAYS:
This is totally irrelevant, we have all done this at a point in time. You are merely weeping up sentiment to justify your deeply flawed legal reasoning. (See other comments in between the post)

[No Smoking]

Long before these terror-filled days, we had the SWAT guys. Abi nor be so? Sebi na shoot first dem dey do?

[oguzie j.j.]

If this has happened in 9ja, maybe by our usual throttle happy olokpa them or our own kaki people them, all we will be hearing is extra judicial killing. This one nko, wetin we go call am?
God's own police abi FBI she'? I beg make somebody shift jari.