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I used to think that giving time, civilian democracy would stabilise and things would begin to correct themselves.
I know the military had stolen less and cost less (because there was less of them in goffment) than the civilians now. That was one of the pluses with our khaki boys (the other being some infrastructural dev. done with dispatch) But I thought that with time, civilians would begin to right themselves, begin to normalise.
But now, I don't know again. Well, maybe there's still time sha. Maybe a lot more time is required...
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| Re: Armed Robbers....Pls Ceasefire __________________ "Those who live in glass house should not throw stones"
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| Re: Armed Robbers....Pls Ceasefire Originally Posted by dem I used to think that giving time, civilian democracy would stabilise and things would begin to correct themselves.
I know the military had stolen less and cost less (because there was less of them in goffment) than the civilians now. That was one of the pluses with our khaki boys (the other being some infrastructural dev. done with dispatch) But I thought that with time, civilians would begin to right themselves, begin to normalise.
But now, I don't know again. Well, maybe there's still time sha. Maybe a lot more time is required... Dem,
Military rule is no alternative to democracy, not even a bad one - like the ‘democracy’ we have in Nigeria today. The alternative to the ‘bad democracy’ is true democracy. No one is going to give it to us on a platter of gold. The people will need to fight for it every inch of the way, no matter how long it takes. It’s a process, not an event; so, it may take a longer time than some of us think. Yet, what matters is that a critical number are consistently fighting that fight to install good and accountable government.
As for the matter of cost of military rule versus democracy, that is a slippery slope. We could as well go for a monarchy or one-man rule since that would be infinitely cheaper than military rule. Besides, why should we consider cost only in relation to the number of office holders? Why can’t we also see it in the extent to which state resources are illegally shared out amongst governing cliques? After all, military regimes have always used civilians to perpetuate their rule; so, where’s the difference?
It’s really not about the cost. It’s about whether or not a system is delivering good and accountable government for the people. Under military rule, the chances for this are foreclosed by the very nature of military rule. Under any form of democracy, the chances are always there, if the people are prepared to fight for and insist on it as enjoined by the Constitution under which they are all governed.
So, don’t get frazzled by the excesses and outright brigandage of those running the show in Nigeria now. Simply continue to do your bit to install true democracy.
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| Re: Armed Robbers....Pls Ceasefire To think these are the bunch of "nonentities" that Gbenga Daniel has to deal with....what a shame!
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| Re: Armed Robbers....Pls Ceasefire Originally Posted by dem I used to think that giving time, civilian democracy would stabilise and things would begin to correct themselves.
I know the military had stolen less and cost less (because there was less of them in goffment) than the civilians now. That was one of the pluses with our khaki boys (the other being some infrastructural dev. done with dispatch) But I thought that with time, civilians would begin to right themselves, begin to normalise.
But now, I don't know again. Well, maybe there's still time sha. Maybe a lot more time is required... dem,
What we have here is a by-product of the Nigerian military mentality. The Nigerian had conditioned him/her self to authoritarian rule. Most of us were born into it and we know no other way.
It has become a norm for a soldier to horsewhip the ordinary citizen. It is readily accepted for a policeman to arrest a citizen and detain him without recourse to the law.
Even the rich and the powerful still ensure that their security details are police or military men having paid the IG.
Our military slave mentality is compounded by the abacha constitution which allows politicians to get away with murders.
Until the basis of our democracy is renegotiated through a convocation of a sovereign national conference there is no way forward.
It has become clear to me that unless we follow the carefully considred wisdom of the sage Enahoro, which the late Ajasin and Adesanya endorsed, and people like Soyinka, late Gani, Beko and Falana canvassed, the natural alternative is the prediction by the US and many others, disintegration. |
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| Re: Armed Robbers....Pls Ceasefire Originally Posted by dem I used to think that giving time, civilian democracy would stabilise and things would begin to correct themselves. I know the military had stolen less and cost less (because there was less of them in goffment) than the civilians now. That was one of the pluses with our khaki boys (the other being some infrastructural dev. done with dispatch) But I thought that with time, civilians would begin to right themselves, begin to normalise.
But now, I don't know again. Well, maybe there's still time sha. Maybe a lot more time is required...
Back in dem military days....we didnt experience this much wastefulness like u said. This civilian regime is the worst thus far....i dont see anything normalizing with this lot..brood of vipers..
Hmm....cant begin to imagine how much has been claimed as wages and allowances by this lot? They've virtually destroyed all they met...the economy is near stagnancy, and the lot of the people no better.
It's like inviting locusts to come and invade a flourishing farm...and this type eats all and even attack the soil...virtually consuming all the malus tiwo tiwo...all the cows, horns and all
What's most annoying is that you now have the so called intellectuals/educated people in politics/higher offices....they aint any different from the illiterates and near illiterates...no integrity...drat.
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| Re: Armed Robbers....Pls Ceasefire Originally Posted by Janjaweed Lo ba tan! {case closed}
This is a funny thread, but yours is subtly the funniest to me, because I perfectly understand where you are comig from. If words fail KENN na I'm be sey the situation is extremely critical. Case should be closed!
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| Re: Armed Robbers....Pls Ceasefire Originally Posted by Kenn Chei! Words fail me…. 
When Kenn is at a loss for words. The matter don "she kona". Dat is the end of the story. I too, have nothing to say. Laff, cry? __________________ Our Nigerian Motto: Every man for himself, God for us all... Think on that for a minute.
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| Re: Armed Robbers....Pls Ceasefire Originally Posted by tonsoyo This is a funny thread, but yours is subtly the funniest to me, because I perfectly understand where you are comig from. If words fail KENN na I'm be sey the situation is extremely critical. Case should be closed!
would this actually be funny, say on a hollywood or bollywood movie ?
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| Re: Armed Robbers....Pls Ceasefire Originally Posted by Kenn Dem,
Military rule is no alternative to democracy, Kenn, Ewuro
But that was what I was saying...
Even though, in my opinion, miltary goffment costs less overall and they can build stuff without much arguement as to where State capital go dey, etc, our current and preferred mode of democracy is tasking man's patience. But patient we must be.
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| Re: Armed Robbers....Pls Ceasefire This should cause severe introspection within all who are capable of recognising the near super-natural imbecility that must be the normal state-of-mind of the person who is begging armed robbers for amnesty on behalf of Ogun State people.
How is it that such people are still running things and how difficult could it be to devise strategies for their dumping?
People, all that is needed is will, perseverance, and cooperation.
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| Re: Armed Robbers....Pls Ceasefire Originally Posted by Eja This should cause severe introspection within all who are capable of recognising the near super-natural imbecility that must be the normal state-of-mind of the person who is begging armed robbers for amnesty on behalf of Ogun State people.
How is it that such people are still running things and how difficult could it be to devise strategies for their dumping? People, all that is needed is will, perseverance, and cooperation.
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| Re: Armed Robbers....Pls Ceasefire Armed robbers or anyone answering to that description and their representatives are a major stakeholder group and should not be excluded from contributing to major State programmes that stands every citizen in good stead and provides unsurpassed opportunity to make good impressions and to build international linkages. More parents will stand to have millionnaire football playing children who will serve as fail safe for their comfortable retirement and a social safety net for members of the extended family
Because we have learnt do nothing but fail, we have also failed to develop a contact database for this group of our electorate who are almost singularly responsible for getting us elected. We therefore had to resort to the media for communicating with our friends.
Why should that generate this much derision?
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| Re: Armed Robbers....Pls Ceasefire Originally Posted by skanbroy To think these are the bunch of "nonentities" that Gbenga Daniel has to deal with....what a shame!
Err.......oga, if you do your research, you'll find out that the legislator who wants to beg armed robbers is part of the G11 (the group supporting gbenga daniel) whilst Egbetokun, the one asking the police not to relent in efforts to tackle armed robbery in the State is part of the G15 (the group opposing daniel)
So in a way you are right.....Odugbesan is one of the nonentities imposed by daniel supporting daniel in the house  __________________ Agu Nwanyi 1 of Oboroland If there is light in the soul, there will be beauty in the person. If there is beauty in the person, there will be harmony in the house.If there is harmony in the house, there will be order in the nation. If there is order in the nation, there will be peace in the world. ~ Chinese proverb |
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| Re: Armed Robbers....Pls Ceasefire Originally Posted by emj Siddon dia dey blow grammar... will, perseverance and cooperation
My dear Countess, on behalf of myself, I would like to thank you for recognising my stupendous prowess in the dispersal of multi-pronged dynamic delivery elements formulated for usage in linguistics (AKA words).
Please be aware that I am also available for hire.
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| Re: Armed Robbers....Pls Ceasefire    I guess these guys mean business o! chei!! N18 billion deductions tear OGD, lawmakers apart A fresh crisis appears to be brewing between the Governor of Ogun State, Otunba Gbenga Daniel, and the state House of Assembly following investigations by the legislators, which has opened a Pandora box of financial irregularities amounting to about N18 billion. A very reliable source in the state Ministry of Finance confided in our correspondent that unless the legislators do not want to do anything about the irregularities, they have more than enough evidence in their hands to prove that resources of the state were being illegally paid to some financial institutions. The source, who does not want her name in print said: “Skye Bank Plc, which is leading a consortium of banks, and FCMB have taken about N18 billion directly from our Federation Account allocation till date. Not many people knew that we owed banks more than N40 billion as at last year. But with the monthly deductions of about N1.4 billion by the banks, which began in the last quarter of last year, Ogun State now has a debt portfolio that is about N32 billion.” Till date, Ogun State gets an average of N2.1 billion monthly revenue from Abuja. In addition, the state also generates a similar average of N600 million monthly internally. But our source believe this is a fraction of the amount given secret accounts into which revenue accruing from the Ogun State Lands & Survey Bureau and Internal Revenue Service are often diverted based on orders. “Let’s just put the Abuja one and our IGR at an average monthly of three billion naira,” the source said, adding: “The problem is not that the banks just dipped their hands into our money. I think His Excellency made a mistake, whether consciously or unconsciously, I don’t know. What the legislators who queried us insisted on was that a certain section of the Nigerian constitution was breached because the Governor did not seek the consent of the legislative arm of government in committing the state to the huge debt profile.”
Our correspondent gathered that the legislators are peeved that Daniel did not follow the provisions of the constitution in Chapter V (The Legislature, Powers and Control over Public Funds) Section 120. It states: “(1)All revenues or other moneys raised or received by a State (not being revenues or other moneys payable under this Constitution or any Law of a House of Assembly into any other public fund of the State established for a specific purpose) shall be paid into and form one Consolidated Revenue Fund of the State. “(2)No moneys shall be withdrawn from the Consolidated Revenue Fund of the State except to meet expenditure that is charged upon the Fund by this Constitution or where the issue of those moneys has been authorised by an Appropriation Law, Supplementary Appropriation Law or Law passed in pursuance of section 121 of this Constitution. “(3)No moneys shall be withdrawn from any public fund of the State, other than the Consolidated Revenue Fund of the State, unless the issue of those moneys has been authorised by a Law of the House of Assembly of the State. “(4)No moneys shall be withdrawn from the Consolidated Revenue Fund of the State or any other public fund of the State except in the manner prescribed by the House of Assembly.” Telephone calls by our correspondent to a senior functionary of the Ministry of Information & Orientation were answered with: “We’ll get back to you. I think you know this is a very sensitive matter, and with the situation of things as they are it is not possible to just respond like that. Aburo, please, I’ll get back to you.” But a leading member of the Group of 15 legislators opposed to Daniel’s strong arm tactics in Ogun State admitted that the lawmakers were ably assisted by officials of the state Ministry of Finance in addition to materials they also obtained at the federal level in Abuja as they made efforts to unravel the mystery about the parlous financial situation of the state. Speaking under the condition of anonymity, he said: “My brother, you know we are still under the elders’ caution not to engage in media war with him (Daniel) because of the image of the party (Peoples Democratic Party). But we are very much concerned about the finances of the state because what we have discovered so far is different from the picture of no fund he has been giving our people, and we need to get to the root of the matter. “The finances of the state were mortgaged without securing the constitutionally go ahead from the Ogun State House of Assembly, leading to the milking of this revenue from Abuja through an average monthly Irrevocable Standing Payment Order (ISPO) domiciled with Skye Bank and FCMB. This revenue is put at about N1.4 billion monthly, and to date, a total of about N18 billion has been deducted from the state's resources from Abuja, and it is still continuing. An ISPO without the House of Assembly’s approval violates Section 120 of 1999 constitution. This is already established. “But beyond that, the monthly wage bill in this state is a little less than N1.6 billion. If that illegal deduction has not been happening, there would have been no reduction in salary or even delays as people have been experiencing for some months now. Unfortunately, what we even discovered is more than the ISPO illegality. Funds are being diverted from local governments’ allocations without the Council Chairmen complaining officially. They just grumble and that’s it. “Today, the bulk of what is used to meet the need of state workers’ emoluments is from the funds of the local governments, which is why the governor is doing everything possible to frustrate our oversight activities into the local governments’ accounts. As I am talking to you, the Ogun State House of Assembly has looked at disbursements from the State Joint Account and Allocation Committee to just five local governments so far and already close to N800 million is missing in transit. “This is not to talk about others that might have developed wings through white elephant projects. The close to N800 million missing is just for the period January - December 2008 alone for five local governments out of the 20 that we have. We are yet to commence work on their accounts for 2009 because of the frustrations put in place by Mr. Governor. “In addition, we also discovered that, beginning from August 2008, about N765 million deducted from the salaries of Ogun State civil servants under the contributory pension scheme were not remitted to the Pension Fund Administrators. And a similar figure, which is the state’s own share of the contribution, was also not paid. This gives a figure close to N1.6b billion. “Currently, we are also looking at claims that about N6 billion was misappropriated through the stadium projects in Ilaro, Ijebu-Ode and Shagamu, which some have alleged might be the reason why the same contractor handled the three projects, and on each occasion, was paid 100 per cent of its contract sum even before moving to site. You’ll be surprised that none of those stadium projects witnessed less than two variations of contract in less than the eight digit range all amounting to about N6 billion while the construction lasted. Yet, Shagamu Stadium is still on-going.” | http://www.elombah.com/index.php?opt...news&Itemid=67 __________________ Agu Nwanyi 1 of Oboroland If there is light in the soul, there will be beauty in the person. If there is beauty in the person, there will be harmony in the house.If there is harmony in the house, there will be order in the nation. If there is order in the nation, there will be peace in the world. ~ Chinese proverb |
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