Mass shooting at Fort Hood

[ikechiji]

Anybody who thinks this shooting has nothing to do with religion is kidding themselves. No need to sugarcoat this, be "politically correct" or look for lame "mental health" excuses. This guy murdered people in cold blood because he felt a stronger affiliation to his Jihad religion instead of his country of birth.

Too bad the American justice system will kill him "humanely" by lethal injection instead of cutting off his balls!

[lateesha]

From yahoo front page


WASHINGTON – His name appears on radical Internet postings. A fellow officer says he fought his deployment to Iraq and argued with soldiers who supported U.S. wars. He required counseling as a medical student because of problems with patients.

There are many unknowns about Nidal Malik Hasan, the man authorities say is responsible for the worst mass killing on a U.S. military base. Most of all, his motive.

For six years before reporting for duty at Fort Hood, Texas, in July, the 39-year-old Army major worked at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center pursuing his career in psychiatry, as an intern, a resident and, last year, a fellow in disaster and preventive psychiatry. He received his medical degree from the military's Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001.

While an intern at Walter Reed, Hasan had some "difficulties" that required counseling and extra supervision, said Dr. Thomas Grieger, who was the training director at the time.

Grieger said privacy laws prevented him from going into details but noted that the problems had to do with Hasan's interactions with patients. He recalled Hasan as a "mostly very quiet" person who never spoke ill of the military or his country.

"He swore an oath of loyalty to the military," Grieger said. "I didn't hear anything contrary to those oaths."

But, more recently, federal agents grew suspicious.

At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.

They had not determined for certain whether Hasan is the author of the posting, and a formal investigation had not been opened before the shooting, said law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss the case.

In an interview with The Washington Post, Hasan's aunt, Noel Hasan of Falls Church, Va., said he had been harassed about being a Muslim in the years after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks and he wanted out of the Army.

"Some people can take it and some people cannot," she said. "He had listened to all of that and he wanted out of the military."

She said he had sought a discharge from the military for several years, and even offered to repay the cost of his medical training.

A military official told The Associated Press that Hasan was in the preparation stage of deployment, which can take months. The official said Hasan had indicated he didn't want to go to Iraq but was willing to serve in Afghanistan. The official did not have authorization to discuss the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.

A second military official said Hasan's family has Palestinian roots. There have been reports that he was harassed for his Muslim religion, but the official says there is no indication Hasan filed a complaint within the military about that.

Terrorism task force agents plan to interview several of Hasan's relatives Friday, according to a law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to discuss the case.

Noel Hasan said her nephew "did not make many friends" and would say "they military was his life."

A cousin, Nader Hasan, told The New York Times that after counseling soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan with post-traumatic stress disorder, Hasan knew war firsthand.

"He was mortified by the idea of having to deploy," Nader Hasan said. "He had people telling him on a daily basis the horrors they saw over there."

Federal law-enforcement agents ordered an evacuation of the apartment complex where Hasan lived in Killeen, Texas, Thursday night and conducted a search of his home, said Hilary Shine, director of public information for the city. She didn't say what was found during the search.

Officials said earlier that federal search warrants were being drawn up to authorize the seizure of his computer.

Retired Army Col. Terry Lee, who said he worked with Hasan, told Fox News that Hasan had hoped President Barack Obama would pull troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq. Lee said Hasan got into frequent arguments with others in the military who supported the wars, and had tried hard to prevent his pending deployment.

Hasan attended prayers regularly when he lived outside Washington, often in his Army uniform, said Faizul Khan, a former imam at a mosque Hasan attended in Silver Spring, Md. He said Hasan was a lifelong Muslim.

"I got the impression that he was a committed soldier," Khan said. He spoke often with Hasan about Hasan's desire for a wife.

On a form filled out by those seeking spouses through a program at the mosque, Hasan listed his birthplace as Arlington, Va., but his nationality as Palestinian, Khan said.
"I don't know why he listed Palestinian," Khan said, "He was not born in Palestine."

Nothing stood out about Hasan as radical or extremist, Khan said.

"We hardly ever got to discussing politics," Khan said. "Mostly we were discussing religious matters, nothing too controversial, nothing like an extremist."

Hasan earned his rank of major in April 2008, according to a July 2008 Army Times article.

He served eight years as an enlisted soldier. He also served in the ROTC as an undergraduate at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg. He received a bachelor's degree in biochemistry there in 1997.

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Associated Press writers Lara Jakes, Pam Hess, Lolita C. Baldor and Brett Zongker in Washington and Alicia Chang in Los Angeles contributed to this report.

[commoner]

BBC Reports that

Early on Friday the commander of the Fort Hood base, Lt Gen Robert Cone, told reporters that, according to eyewitnesses, the gunman had shouted the Arabic phrase "Allahu Akbar!" before opening fire.

The cat may be out of the bag. Damage control is desperately needed by the Obama administration before the maniacal republicans, the Rushs and Hanities, use this to their advantage.

Source

[Igboamaeze]

Originally Posted by Ewuro

Igboamaeze,
I know say you love Southern Nigeria muslims too much especially the Kudirat and the Latifat.
On a more serious note, the strength of the US also contribute to some the weaknesses.
When an American, white, of more than 1000 years link to America, takes a gun and start shooting down school children, it is the same thing, an isolated case.

The freedom that allows the US to accomodate immigrants from all societies also strengthens them also in space research, medicine, physics, arts, sports and politics.

The immigrants Jews, Irish, Italian, french, Spanish, African, Cubans, Indians or Arabs contribute in a great way to American greatness.

Some of our best graduates and lecturers from Nigerian universities are thriving under that freedom. So are gradutes and former lecturers from Ghana, cameroon, pakistani, saudi Arabia etc.

Sometimes we get the negative incindences from immigrant like we have in this shooting incidence. US would deal with it in the best way they could and that does not mean it would not happen again. Of course it shall! Afterall indigenous Americans with axes to grind with the system also do the same.

The freedom, open mind, and adherence to the enshrined principles of justice would ensure that the benefits far outweigh the costs.

The few countries that accomodate immigrants are the most progressive in the world. The story of the USSR and Communist China and Cuba are examples of what happens to a closed society.

A closed system will eventully die. An open system rejuvenates.

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Otunba,

I understand those soundbites about being "sensitive to peoples religion or faith", dangers of the single story and how bad it is to "denigrate people's meat or fish". But a time comes when we have to call a spade a spade.

I am not in any doubt about the underlying motive for this latest act of barbarism.

Yet, as always, the pussy-footers have it...

[superego]

Muslims recite Gods name, even when they have sex.

[liloldlady]

Originally Posted by superego

Muslims recite Gods name, even when they have sex.

before you edited your post you said Muslims recite allahu akbar, even when they have sex.
Why.... is their orgasms that explosive?

[superego]

including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.

That's deep. I never thot of it that way. I guess, taking a bullet for someone is suicide. I wonder whether that will be also illegal in Islam as is Suicide/suicide-bombing...

[liloldlady]

including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades

To which Superego replies thus......

Originally Posted by superego

That's deep. I never thot of it that way. I guess, taking a bullet for someone is suicide. I wonder whether that will be also illegal in Islam as is Suicide/suicide-bombing...

Boarding a plane, to go blow up an airline full of innocent men, women, and children, making a trip from point A to point B...does not make a person a soldier does it?
so nothing deep about it at all......suicide bombing is suicide bombing nothing to edify it...its still wrong.

[superego]

Originally Posted by liloldlady

To which Superego replies thus......

Boarding a plane, to go blow up an airline full of innocent men, women, and children, making a trip from point A to point B...does not make a person a soldier does it?
so nothing deep about it at all......suicide bombing is suicide bombing nothing to edify it...its still wrong.

Simple comprehension 101.

I didn't edify, I noticed that actually 'taking-a-bullet', may be suicidal and as unedifying as suicide warfare. Just something to ponder.

[MrsChocT]

Originally Posted by lateesha

From yahoo front page


WASHINGTON – His name appears on radical Internet postings. A fellow officer says he fought his deployment to Iraq and argued with soldiers who supported U.S. wars. He required counseling as a medical student because of problems with patients.

There are many unknowns about Nidal Malik Hasan, the man authorities say is responsible for the worst mass killing on a U.S. military base. Most of all, his motive.

For six years before reporting for duty at Fort Hood, Texas, in July, the 39-year-old Army major worked at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center pursuing his career in psychiatry, as an intern, a resident and, last year, a fellow in disaster and preventive psychiatry. He received his medical degree from the military's Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001.

While an intern at Walter Reed, Hasan had some "difficulties" that required counseling and extra supervision, said Dr. Thomas Grieger, who was the training director at the time.

Grieger said privacy laws prevented him from going into details but noted that the problems had to do with Hasan's interactions with patients. He recalled Hasan as a "mostly very quiet" person who never spoke ill of the military or his country.

"He swore an oath of loyalty to the military," Grieger said. "I didn't hear anything contrary to those oaths."

But, more recently, federal agents grew suspicious.

At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.

They had not determined for certain whether Hasan is the author of the posting, and a formal investigation had not been opened before the shooting, said law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss the case.

In an interview with The Washington Post, Hasan's aunt, Noel Hasan of Falls Church, Va., said he had been harassed about being a Muslim in the years after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks and he wanted out of the Army.

"Some people can take it and some people cannot," she said. "He had listened to all of that and he wanted out of the military."

She said he had sought a discharge from the military for several years, and even offered to repay the cost of his medical training.

A military official told The Associated Press that Hasan was in the preparation stage of deployment, which can take months. The official said Hasan had indicated he didn't want to go to Iraq but was willing to serve in Afghanistan. The official did not have authorization to discuss the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.

A second military official said Hasan's family has Palestinian roots. There have been reports that he was harassed for his Muslim religion, but the official says there is no indication Hasan filed a complaint within the military about that.

Terrorism task force agents plan to interview several of Hasan's relatives Friday, according to a law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to discuss the case.

Noel Hasan said her nephew "did not make many friends" and would say "they military was his life."

A cousin, Nader Hasan, told The New York Times that after counseling soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan with post-traumatic stress disorder, Hasan knew war firsthand.

"He was mortified by the idea of having to deploy," Nader Hasan said. "He had people telling him on a daily basis the horrors they saw over there."

Federal law-enforcement agents ordered an evacuation of the apartment complex where Hasan lived in Killeen, Texas, Thursday night and conducted a search of his home, said Hilary Shine, director of public information for the city. She didn't say what was found during the search.

Officials said earlier that federal search warrants were being drawn up to authorize the seizure of his computer.

Retired Army Col. Terry Lee, who said he worked with Hasan, told Fox News that Hasan had hoped President Barack Obama would pull troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq. Lee said Hasan got into frequent arguments with others in the military who supported the wars, and had tried hard to prevent his pending deployment.

Hasan attended prayers regularly when he lived outside Washington, often in his Army uniform, said Faizul Khan, a former imam at a mosque Hasan attended in Silver Spring, Md. He said Hasan was a lifelong Muslim.

"I got the impression that he was a committed soldier," Khan said. He spoke often with Hasan about Hasan's desire for a wife.

On a form filled out by those seeking spouses through a program at the mosque, Hasan listed his birthplace as Arlington, Va., but his nationality as Palestinian, Khan said.
"I don't know why he listed Palestinian," Khan said, "He was not born in Palestine."

Nothing stood out about Hasan as radical or extremist, Khan said.

"We hardly ever got to discussing politics," Khan said. "Mostly we were discussing religious matters, nothing too controversial, nothing like an extremist."

Hasan earned his rank of major in April 2008, according to a July 2008 Army Times article.

He served eight years as an enlisted soldier. He also served in the ROTC as an undergraduate at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg. He received a bachelor's degree in biochemistry there in 1997.

___

Associated Press writers Lara Jakes, Pam Hess, Lolita C. Baldor and Brett Zongker in Washington and Alicia Chang in Los Angeles contributed to this report.

Lateesha, all this one na story......If they knew they had a loose cannon in their midst, why didn't act fast and remove the live grenade in their midst? After the man dob dumbu aka kill dem finish, dey come with yeye report..........they shoul de flogged!!! I would have preferred them to trample over his rights to save those 13 soldiers.

[liloldlady]

Originally Posted by superego

Simple comprehension 101.

That's deep. I never thot of it that way. I guess, taking a bullet for someone is suicide. I wonder whether that will be also illegal in Islam as is Suicide/suicide-bombing

I didn't edify, I noticed that actually 'taking-a-bullet', may be suicidal and as unedifying as suicide warfare. Just something to ponder.

Equivocation

[Exxcuzme]

It's irrational people that will equate this man act with Islam. So every time a Christian commits a murderous act, all Christians should be held in suspicious?

One irrationa co-worker of mine, an ex-marine, stopped talking to me as of yesterday (I anticipated it) because I am Muslim. I just have to watch my back because the guy listens to conservative talk radio 24/7 and would not let anyone at work have a peace of mind at with his opinion. The funniest thing is most of what he talks about are talking point from the loony radio he listens to. He does not even know he is a terrorist with some of his comment like nuking all Arab/Muslim countries out of existence.

I can't believe some people on this site, who should know better, are like my crazy co-worker. Just because Superego comes here with his nonsense does not mean everyone has to lose their common sense.

[superego]

Originally Posted by liloldlady

Equivocation

of an agreed universal evil with a possible overlooked and oft praised similar evil. Man should not kill himself by bombing or throwing hisself on bombs to 'save' others. The guy was highly intellectual to make this analogy.

I hope u understand now.

[ISL]

Originally Posted by Exxcuzme

It's irrational people that will equate this man act with Islam. So every time a Christian commits a murderous act, all Christians should be held in suspicious?

One irrationa co-worker of mine, an ex-marine, stopped talking to me as of yesterday (I anticipated it) because I am Muslim. I just have to watch my back because the guy listens to conservative talk radio 24/7 and would not let anyone at work have a peace of mind at with his opinion. The funniest thing is most of what he talks about are talking point from the loony radio he listens to. He does not even know he is a terrorist with some of his comment like nuking all Arab/Muslim countries out of existence.

I can't believe some people on this site, who should know better, are like my crazy co-worker. Just because Superego comes here with his nonsense does not mean everyone has to lose their common sense.

if he's saying those kinds of things in a workplace, you need to take it up with HR

[superego]

Originally Posted by ISL

if he's saying those kinds of things in a workplace, you need to take it up with HR

He is another of many very tolerant Muslims who don't like causing trouble or increasing stigmas and bigotry and the vicious cycle of hate and violence at every evade-able opportunity.

[Auspicious]

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Hello, Folks!

This is hardly about the need for "political correctness" as it is the need to be rational in our comments.

Those who are indulging in it should put a sock on the archtypical knee-jerk religion bashing already!

For every MUSLIM like Major Malik Hassan out there, there is a CATHOLIC like Sergeant Timothy McVeigh.

It does little justice to our collective sensibilities to make this an issue of the man's Islamic faith.

One man had personal issues that led him to commit a crime - that's the way educated people should see it.

Auspicious.

[Auspicious]

Originally Posted by MrsChocT

The problem is that shipping people off to fight a senseless war has dire effects. Since the advent of these two senseless wars, many soldiers have killed their loved ones, committed unmentionable crimes.
This man was on edge. He didn't want to be deployed Iraq. He was tired and he snapped. There is absolutley no justification for his actions. He would have been better off killing himself than putting all these other innocent men and women in harm's way.
It is a sad day, a really sad day.

Obama needs to act fast. These wars need to come to an end. It's high time we stopped playing voltron, defender of the universe. We need help too!

One of the few reasonable comments here, I dare say.

Auspicious.

[ikechiji]

Originally Posted by Auspicious

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Hello, Folks!

This is hardly about the need for "political correctness" as it is the need to be rational in our comments.

Those who are indulging in it should put a sock on the archtypical knee-jerk religion bashing already!

For every MUSLIM like Major Malik Hassan out there, there is a CATHOLIC like Sergeant Timothy McVeigh.

It does little justice to our collective sensibilities to make this an issue of the man's Islamic faith.

One man had personal issues that led him to commit a crime - that's the way educated people should see it.

Auspicious.

Auspy,

The real issue here is the motivation for the crime not their faith.

Timothy McVeigh did not bomb the federal building out of solidarity with his fellow Catholics or anything the Pope said.

I can guarantee that when the dust settles, the evidence will show that Maj. Malik Hassan killed his fellow American soldiers out of solidarity with his fellow Muslims, i.e. religion was the motivation!

Ikechiji

[iamgod]

Originally Posted by Auspicious

+

Hello, Folks!

This is hardly about the need for "political correctness" as it is the need to be rational in our comments.

Those who are indulging in it should put a sock on the archtypical knee-jerk religion bashing already!

For every MUSLIM like Major Malik Hassan out there, there is a CATHOLIC like Sergeant Timothy McVeigh.

It does little justice to our collective sensibilities to make this an issue of the man's Islamic faith.

One man had personal issues that led him to commit a crime - that's the way educated people should see it.

Auspicious.

Actually, information has it that he came under suspicion 6 months ago. Due to his utterances and behavior.

If a CATHOLIC or BAPTIST starts talking about suicide, murder-suicide and murdering a people simply cos of their race, religion or his dissatisfaction with a system, such a person is deemed as a potential terrorist and could be treated as such.

That said, it is wrong to equate Islam/Muslim = Terrorism/Terrorist. Like we have always echoed on this forum, it is extremely narrow minded to use the negative actions of a tiny, core minority to profile the larger and main community within any context.

Methinks it was simply another failure of intelligence.

And we have also had CATHOLIC terrorists.....

Enjoy..

[Auspicious]

Originally Posted by ikechiji

Auspy,

The real issue here is the motivation for the crime not their faith.

Ikechiji:

An unstable human being rarely has any rational motivation for his actions. In other words, motivatons are like arse-holes, everyone has one. Better said, anyone can claim any imagined motivation for his or her actions. It is left to the reasonable amongst us to decifer the validity or genuiness of such motivation.

John Alan Mohammed, the "D.C. Sniper" who is due for execution on November 11 for all the harmless people he killed and terrorized also had his so-called "motivations". But nobody in his right senses will deem the excuse of religion as a tenable reason for the violence he unleashed on the D.C Metro then.

How much more, a 39-year old man who was born and bread in America - a model citizen who willingly enlisted in the Armed Forces to serve his nation of birth and worked hard to go all the way to rise to the status of a Medical Practitioner and an Army Major with a Masters in Public Health degree to boot?

The man lost his brains, period..and it is wicked and reckless of you and your co-conspirators here to continue to assert that Malik Hassan did what he did, NOT because he went nuts on a personal level, BUT "out of solidarity with his fellow Muslims" - pretty much implying that Muslims as a group think and act like the man.

I mean, WHAT THE FCUK is wrong with you people??? Next we'd hear is that rapist nut-job in Cleveland was only "sympathizing with his fellow black people", afterall his "motivation" may have been that he was avenging a history of slavery and racism that saw many of his forebears crossing the Atlantic to America.

Lord Help Us.

Auspicious.