Mass shooting at Fort Hood

[Igboamaeze]

Luqman Ameen Abdullah. Photo from the Council on American-Islamic Relations and Fox News.



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US moves on domestic jihadis

By Wes Bruer November 1, 2009 4:10 PM | The Survival Podcast Forum

In recent months, the US has experienced an alarming rise in jihadist activity. In the last two months alone, five terror plots have been foiled by the FBI, and there have been dozens of other arrests for various related crimes, such as providing material support for terrorists. The plots have been directed at targets at home and abroad, both civilian and military. The arrests clearly demonstrate the potential for al Qaeda and other extremist groups to recruit and carry out attacks in the US.

The extent of influence by al Qaeda and allied groups is evident in their ability to convince potential terrorists in other countries to come to the US with the intention of carrying out attacks; it is also shown by the capacity of these groups to indoctrinate US citizens and nationals. The case of Najibullah Zazi, the Afghan national accused of plotting attacks in the US, stands out in what has been described as the biggest plot against America since 9/11. Listed below are the incidents that have occurred so far in 2009.

Feb. 20, 2009: An Afghan national was arrested for his ties to terrorist groups and for trying to obtain a US passport by fraudulent means. Ahmadullah Sais Niazi was indicted on charges of perjury, naturalization fraud, misuse of a passport obtained fraudulently, and making false statements to authorities. After a 2004 trip to Pakistan, Niazi denied any association to terrorist organizations. One one occasion, Niazi reportedly met with Dr. Amin al-Haq, commander of the Black Guard, which is Osama bin Laden’s security unit. Authorities later discovered that Niazi had ties not only with the Taliban but also with al Qaeda and Hezb-i-Islami.

March 20, 2009: After at least 20 Minneapolis-based Somali-American men had traveled back to the war-torn county, only “several” have returned to the United States. The remaining men are reported to be currently fighting, or have been killed fighting, on behalf of the al Qaeda-linked, Somali-based terror group known as al-Shabaab. Counterterrorism officials do not believe the men have returned to conduct attacks on the US. During the investigation, Osama bin Laden urged Somalis to fight against the government and “the international crusade.” In April, federal agents raided money transfer businesses that served the Somali community, in an effort to halt the flow of money from the US to terror groups abroad. In July, authorities indicted three Somali-Americans for recruiting the 20 men to fight abroad, including one who carried out a suicide attack against the Somali government.

May 21, 2009: Four men were arrested shortly after planting inactive explosives outside two New York City synagogues. James Cromite, David Williams, Onta Williams, and Laguerre Payen are reported to have been “disappointed that the World Trade Center wasn’t still around to attack,” and often vowed to wage jihad. The men, three Americans and a Haitian, also plotted to shoot down a military plane with surface-to-air missiles. A confidential informant, whom the men thought belonged to the group Jaish-e-Mohammed, provided the men with the decoy explosives and missile that led to their arrest after an investigation of almost a year. The charges against the men include conspiring to use weapons of mass destruction within the US and conspiracy to acquire and use anti-aircraft missiles.

July 28, 2009: Daniel Boyd, an American, and six other North Carolina men were arrested for plotting terrorist attacks in Israel and Pakistan. They are believed to have taken a half dozen trips in which they intended to engage in violent jihad abroad; each attempt ended in failure. An eighth man, Jude Mohammed, a Raleigh resident whom investigators believe is a member of the North Carolina terror cell, was arrested for trying to illegally enter Pakistan’s tribal region and is believed to be still in Pakistan after he failed to make a courtroom appearance. Prosecutors played tapes in early August at Daniel Boyd’s trial that indicated his intent on engaging in jihad. "I love jihad. I love to stand there and fight for the sake of Allah," Boyd had said.

Sept. 14, 2009: The FBI, along with local law enforcement, raided several residences in Queens, New York City. The men had aroused suspicion by what authorities described as “espousing militant ideology” and had apparent ties to al Qaeda. No arrests were made at the time, but this raid was the first in what would become a string of arrests and foiled plots over the following two months.

Sept. 22, 2009: A federal judge ordered Najibullah Zazi to be held without bail. Zazi’s actions roused suspicion after law enforcement officials discovered bomb-making documents on his computer. After being interrogated by officials, Zazi admitted he had received weapons and explosives training in Pakistan. It was later discovered that his ties to al Qaeda went all the way to Mustafa Abu Yazid, the head of al Qaeda in Afghanistan. Two other men, including Zazi’s father and Ahmad Wais Afzali, were detained in connection with the case. The three are being prosecuted for lying to investigators about a conspiracy to detonate improvised explosives within the US.

Sept. 24, 2009: A 19-year-old Jordanian man was arrested after attempting to detonate what he thought was a car bomb, in the garage of a Dallas skyscraper. Hosam Maher Husein Smadi caught the attention of authorities after they discovered him on an extremist website. FBI agents say Smadi “stood out based on his vehement intention to actually conduct terror attacks.” Three undercover agents, posing as al Qaeda sleeper cell members, had been in communication with Smadi for several months during which they discussed potential targets within the US. The undercover agents provided the potential terrorist with an inert car bomb, which he parked under the skyscraper. Smadi pled not guilty to the charges of attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction and bombing a public place on Oct. 26, 2009.

Sept. 24, 2009: An Illinois man, Michael Finton or Talib Islam, was arrested for attempting to detonate a car bomb at a federal courthouse in Springfield. Finton raised suspicion after letters were discovered by authorities that indicated his sympathy for al Qaeda and his intention to engage in jihad. Undercover agents posing as al Qaeda operatives befriended Finton back in February; he later discussed with them making specific attacks on the US. In August, Finton recorded a video, which he thought would be delivered to Osama bin Laden, that sought to justify the attacks on government targets. On Sept. 24, Finton, along with an undercover agent, parked the car that he believed contained nearly a ton of explosives in front of the federal building. With the undercover agent, Finton drove a few blocks away where he twice used a cell phone to remotely detonate the "bomb." He was immediately arrested and faces charges of attempted murder of federal employees and attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction.

Oct. 3, 2009: Two Chicago men were arrested for planning to carry out attacks on overseas targets. David Coleman Headley, a Pakistan-born US citizen who changed his name from Daood Gilani in 2006, was detained while attempting to board a flight to Philadelphia.The flight would have eventually taken him to Pakistan to meet with Ilyas Kashmiri, the operational leader of al Qaeda's Brigade 313. The other man arrested in the case was Tahawwur Hussain Rana, a Pakistani national from Canada. The two allegedly plotted to attack Jyllands-Posten, a Danish newspaper whose publication of cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammed caused outrage in the Muslim world. In January, Headley had traveled to Denmark to conduct reconnaissance on the building and commenced planning for an assault similar to the 2008 Mumbai attacks.

Oct. 21, 2009: Tarek Mehanna was arrested in Boston for conspiracy to provide material support to terrorists and has been indicted for plotting terrorist attacks at home and abroad. Mehanna, along with Ahmad Abousamra, plotted to kill US civilians, soldiers serving in Iraq, and two members of the US executive branch. Abousamra traveled to Pakistan twice, and both men later traveled to Yemen, with the intent of joining a terrorist training camp. In each instance the men were turned down for their inexperience. Upon returning home, the men then began to plan attacks in the US that included using automatic weapons on civilians in shopping malls. Mehanna had previously been arrested last year for lying to authorities when questioned about Daniel Maldonado, who pled guilty to undergoing terrorist training in Somalia.

Oct. 28, 2009: Patrick Nayyar, an Indian national living illegally in Queens, and Stanisclaus Mulholland were indicted on four counts of attempting to provide material support to Hezbollah. Since June, the pair had agreed to provide the Lebanese-based terror group with weapons, ammunition, vehicles, bulletproof vests, and night vision goggles. A confidential informant posing as a Hezbollah operative, working for the FBI, had met Nayyar and Mulholland on several occasions to discuss how the items could be delivered to support the group. Although Nayyar has been taken into custody, Mulholland has yet to be arrested. Prosecutors believe that Mulholland is currently in Britain.

Oct. 28, 2009: Luqman Ameen Abdullah, the leader of a mosque who also headed the Islamic movement in Detroit called the Ummah, was killed after opening fire on FBI agents. The agents raided two locations and apprehended 10 other men on connection with the case. Three men, including Abdullah’s son Mujahid Carswell, were on the run following the raids. Carswell was apprehended the next day, but the two other men remain on the loose. The Ummah, or "Brotherhood," is a movement with the goal of establishing a separate state within the US, governed by sharia law and whose national leader is currently serving a life sentence for the murder of two police officers in Georgia. The Ummah is said to preach violence against the US, and its members receive weapons training.

[Auspicious]

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Yup, just as predicted.

Hmmm..Hassan! Hussein! Eureka!

Anyone here remember Jerome Corsi?

Dude who Kenya deported like a common thief?

He penned that funky piece below - a 'brilliant' piece, I must say.

Some of the comments here sound very much like Jerome Corsi's

Auspicious.

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Shooter advised Obama transition
By Jerome R. Corsi
November 06, 2009, 9:21 am Eastern | LINK

NEW YORK – Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the alleged shooter in yesterday's massacre at Fort Hood, played a homeland security advisory role in President Barack Obama's transition into the White House, according to a key university policy institute document.

The Homeland Security Policy Institute at George Washington University published a document May 19, entitled "Thinking Anew – Security Priorities for the Next Administration: Proceedings Report of the HSPI Presidential Transition Task Force, April 2008 – January 2009," in which Hasan of the Uniformed Services University School of Medicine is listed on page 29 of the document as a Task Force Event Participant.

Hasan received his medical degree from the military's Uniformed Services University School in Bethesda, Md., in 2001.

Noting that the Obama administration transition was proceeding, the GWU Homeland Security Policy Institute report described on the first page the role of the Presidential Transition Task Force as including "representatives from past Administrations, State government, Fortune 500 companies, academia, research institutions and non-governmental organizations with global reach."

While the GWU task force participants included several members of government, including representatives of the Department of Justice and the U.S Department of Homeland Security, there is no indication in the document that the group played any formal role in the official Obama transition, other than to serve in a university-based advisory capacity.

Daniel Kaniewski, deputy director of the Homeland Security Policy Institute at George Washington University affirmed to WND in a telephone interview this morning that the Nidal Hasan listed as attending the meetings of the HSPI Presidential Transition Task Force was the same person as the alleged shooter in the Fort Hood massacre.

Kaniewski said Hasan attended the meetings in his capacity as a member of the faculty of the Uniformed Services University School of Medicine, not as a member of the HSPI Presidential Task Force.

Kaniewski believed Hasan applied on the institute's website to attend the meeting and was accepted because of his professional credentials.

Kaniewski could not tell WND whether or not Hasan made comments from the audience that influenced the task force recommendations or not.

He further confirmed Hasan had attended several meetings held by the Homeland Security Policy Institute at George Washington University and that the institute is currently searching conference records to see if it is possible to determine what additional institute conferences he attended.

According to the "About Us" section of the GWU Homeland Security Policy Institute, the group is a "nonpartisan 'think and do' tank whose mission is to build bridges between theory and practice to advance homeland security through an interdisciplinary approach."

The Homeland Security Policy Institute is led by Frank J Cilluffo, who formerly served in the White House as special assistant to President Bush for homeland security, and by Kaniewski, who formerly served in the White House as special assistant to President Bush for homeland security and senior director for response policy.

"Muslims should stand up and fight the aggressor," Hasan said about America before he and possibly other Muslim soldiers at Fort Hood shot 43 fellow soldiers, killing 13.

"He said Muslims had a right to attack" the U.S., said Col. Terry Lee, who worked with Hasan at the Texas post, where the devout Sunni Muslim refused deployment. "He said Muslims shouldn't be fighting Muslims," he added. "He was very clear on that."

According to an explosive new book, "Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld That's Conspiring to Islamize America," Hasan is just the tip of a jihadist Fifth Column operating within the ranks of the U.S. military – which is too blinded by political correctness to see the threat.

Quoting from a classified military briefing, "Muslim Mafia" reveals that this Fifth Column has penetrated "every branch of the U.S. military." The Islamist enemy has even infiltrated the al-Qaida detention camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

EDITOR'S NOTE: Shortly after this story was posted, the Huffington Post ran a piece claiming WND was attempting to "smear" President Obama by naming him "as the man who guided Nidal Malik Hasan to his murderous rampage at Ft. Hood yesterday."

However, Hasan is being reported as a participant in the GWU Homeland Security Policy Institute's Presidential Transition Task Force, not as a member, noting the group was a university think-tank, not part of the Obama administration official transition team.

Further, the institute's deputy director is quoted saying he is unable to say if Hasan made any input to the group's final recommendations.

Other participants in the task force included many members of congressional staff who work with both the House and Senate homeland security committees, as well as staff from the Department of Homeland Security and Department of Justice.
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[lateesha]

Originally Posted by Anike

Latee,

But your description of suicide bombers does not fit this man here. For example, there is no evidence yet that he was determined to die. You've written a lot of what he did, what I am pondering over is what drove him to do what he did.

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I am pretty sure a man shooting randomly at an army base is not expected to be pelted with rotten tomatoes.
There are speculations that he was saddened that Muslims were being killed in the wars,who knows what else could be in the mind of a lunatic.
Maybe he will tell us after he recovers.

I can respect that you may know/know of many wicked people who are muslims, but I know far too many decent moslems who wouldn't subscribe to what these "extremists" do, who couldn't have celebrated 9/11, who are condemning Dr. Cuckoo da Shrink for his crime,... to even remotely disparage their faith because of a psycho's crime.

Like you I also know many kind Muslims and I've been a receipient of such kindness but that is not the issue here.

Extremists abound in every religion/belief system, let's not forget. I am not disagreeing with you that this Dr. Cuckoo da Shrink was unwilling to support the war by going to Iraq because he feels connected to Iraqi people by religion because I think it's a possibility. But I don't think we should demonize a whole religion because of that, as the media is wont to do with all sorts of subtle insinuations like the angle on him having Arabic inscription on his door.

I have not said all Muslims are terrorists.They are not but there are enough of them with severe hatred for the rest of the world,enough to concern me and you and that number is not dwindling.
There are large numbers of them with enough courage to kill you and me for their belief and perhaps a larger number that'll applaud such killing.
That is scary.

On this issue my focus remains on what could have driven him to commit this mass-murder to register his protest. They said he tried to leave the army, but being an asset made it hard. If we rule out mental illness (transfer effect from his patient, which CNN is calling "compassion fatigue", and I am calling "cuckoo transfer"), was his desperation for a way, any way, out of his deployment, what drove him to consider this option? The more I think about it, the less convinced that he fits into the description of a suicide killer I get. He obviously lacked the courage to take his own life (which throws a monkey wrench in the "virgin reward in paradise" line).

All of these senseless mass murderers are mentally ill IMHO.
Be they Muslims or Hindu.But when we label them so and they tell us it,s a mandate from their God to do so and we open their religious books and see that written in black and white, we ought to be on the alert.

This shrink was obviously cuckoo himself and needed to be seen.

[I]BTW: Are you sure that Anderson did not mean a moslem who is a soldier? He is, after all, still a soldier. I think that is what he meant

Muslims who was a soldier,Muslim soldier,is there any difference?
This is not the first case of a Muslim soldier killing his comrades because they were killing Muslims,he probably wouldn't be the last.

[Mikky jaga]

Fort Hood: Crime or terrorism?

Do Fort Hood shooter Nidal Malik Hasan's religious beliefs make his massacre some form of jihad?

The more we learn about Fort Hood shooter Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the more questions arise. Hasan is an observant Muslim who didn’t want to deploy to Iraq. But Army colleagues also claim he made remarks supporting Muslim insurgents, and the FBI has been tracking Internet postings by a “Nidal Hasan” that spoke sympathetically of suicide bombers. Then there's the fact that Hasan shouted "Allahu Akbar!" ("God is great!") before opening fire. As Power Line blogger John Hindraker asks, was this “a terrorist attack, or just a disgruntled soldier who snapped”?

Of course it’s Islamic terrorism: “The moment I first heard about the mass murders at Fort Hood,” says Phyllis Chesler at Pajamas Media, “I knew in my bones that the shooter or shooters were Muslims.” Go ahead and “call me ‘Islamophobic'... [but] we must connect the dots before it is too late.



The non-Islam explanations don’t cut it: The Hasan-was-scared-of-deployment “explanation doesn’t pass muster,” says Marc Moore in PoliGazette, so “his motivations must have come from a deeply rooted personal sense of vengeance.” It may be "premature” to tie that urge to his “religious and social beliefs,” but the Islam connection “should be a primary line of inquiry, wherever it leads on the path to the heart of darkness.”


Everybody take a deep breath: Hasan’s “motive might be ideological or religious anger,” says The Dallas Morning News in an editorial, but to jump to such a “furious and intemperate” conclusion is a huge disservice to the “roughly 3,000 American Muslims” serving loyally in the U.S. military. Let’s step back and let the FBI and military police do their job.

[Igboamaeze]

Originally Posted by Mikky jaga

Fort Hood: Crime or terrorism?

Do Fort Hood shooter Nidal Malik Hasan's religious beliefs make his massacre some form of jihad?

The more we learn about Fort Hood shooter Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the more questions arise. Hasan is an observant Muslim who didn’t want to deploy to Iraq. But Army colleagues also claim he made remarks supporting Muslim insurgents, and the FBI has been tracking Internet postings by a “Nidal Hasan” that spoke sympathetically of suicide bombers. Then there's the fact that Hasan shouted "Allahu Akbar!" ("God is great!") before opening fire. As Power Line blogger John Hindraker asks, was this “a terrorist attack, or just a disgruntled soldier who snapped”?

Of course it’s Islamic terrorism: “The moment I first heard about the mass murders at Fort Hood,” says Phyllis Chesler at Pajamas Media, “I knew in my bones that the shooter or shooters were Muslims.” Go ahead and “call me ‘Islamophobic'... [but] we must connect the dots before it is too late.



The non-Islam explanations don’t cut it: The Hasan-was-scared-of-deployment “explanation doesn’t pass muster,” says Marc Moore in PoliGazette, so “his motivations must have come from a deeply rooted personal sense of vengeance.” It may be "premature” to tie that urge to his “religious and social beliefs,” but the Islam connection “should be a primary line of inquiry, wherever it leads on the path to the heart of darkness.”


Everybody take a deep breath: Hasan’s “motive might be ideological or religious anger,” says The Dallas Morning News in an editorial, but to jump to such a “furious and intemperate” conclusion is a huge disservice to the “roughly 3,000 American Muslims” serving loyally in the U.S. military. Let’s step back and let the FBI and military police do their job.

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And the "diplomats" continue with their nice talks while America is about to annihilated by home-grown terrorists.

The question is not how many battalions of Muslims in the American armed forces, but where their loyalty lies especially when there is conflict between America and an Islamic nation like Iraq.

A more disturbing question is when will the rest of the "3,000 American Muslims" pull the trigger against America in sympathy with al Queda and in defence of Islam?

Who will be the next Nidal Malik Hasan...?

[NextLevel]

America, for all its purported greatness, is ultimately a really stupid country. Let's think about Logic 101.

I'm a Nigerian citizen born of Nigerian parents etc. No matter whatever happens in my life, as long as I don't go mad, my allegiances are first and foremost to my family and friends.

If you want to go around bombing all the countries in the world, how can you keep on allowing everyone in the world to become a citizen of your country? Does America seriously think that if they want to bomb Nigeria for any reason, justifiable or unjustifiable, that I will wake up one morning and start supporting America over my flesh and blood in Nigeria?

What this man did can be called many things, but I don't blame him for doing what any reasonable person would do when faced with the kinds of issues he was faced with. America cannot continue to pursue the kind of foreign policy it currently pursues if it wants to pursue the kind of open immigration policy it is now pursuing. This is not 1945, this is the year 2009!

[liloldlady]

Originally Posted by NextLevel

America, for all its purported greatness, is ultimately a really stupid country. Let's think about Logic 101.

I'm a Nigerian citizen born of Nigerian parents etc. No matter whatever happens in my life, as long as I don't go mad, my allegiances are first and foremost to my family and friends.

If you want to go around bombing all the countries in the world, how can you keep on allowing everyone in the world to become a citizen of your country? Does America seriously think that if they want to bomb Nigeria for any reason, justifiable or unjustifiable, that I will wake up one morning and start supporting America over my flesh and blood in Nigeria?

What this man did can be called many things, but I don't blame him for doing what any reasonable person would do when faced with the kinds of issues he was faced with. America cannot continue to pursue the kind of foreign policy it currently pursues if it wants to pursue the kind of open immigration policy it is now pursuing. This is not 1945, this is the year 2009!

Thank you (As much as it pains me to do so)
I still believe that man was cuckoo....However I accept sometimes crase does have triggers.........
Some people are knee jerking to religion, instead of looking at the big picture...
Could he have valid reasons for his anger?
Is it possible that people could become disgruntled and disaffected by Government Policies that could easily make them take their frustrations out in this manner?
When the British changed their Policy, in NI and sought peace genuinely there, Peace happened.
When they made a real effort to seek peace......Peace prevailed.
To have peace we need justice...not mere lip service to it.
We need to value all humans as equal....not merely paying lip service to the value we place on some people ,whilst our actions see them as 'less than'

I am for looking into a grievance and examining it for validity...not carte blanche blacklisting both the innocent and the guilty because we don't want to look deep into our own actions.

This has never been about Religion....I wish we could listen, really listen to these people, and stop giving them an excuse to act out.

Eg...I hear of the atrocities that women are suffering in DRC...the rapes, the sadistic, barbaric, brutality that is inflicted on women......do you think that if there was somebody, an entity that I could hold responsible, for aiding and abetting the gross inhumanity there, by its policies and actions, that I would not have done so?

I would never invest in Caterpillar shares ever (amongst a host of others).......not when its products are used to bulldoze/destroy Palestinian homes, and extend the illegal Settlements.
I am no terrorist......well at least in my own mind...but can you imagine what a person who actually have ties and connections to Palestine could feel?

I know how angry I used to feel during apartheid.........
Till today, I still find it hard to eat 'Cape' brand fruits....because in the days of apartheid, I boycotted goods of South African Origin, and felt keenly the inhuman treatment meted to those whose only crime is that they look like me.

Let us go beyond banning muslims from humanity, and examine if we by the govts we elect and their policies, are inadvertently fuelling the anger that is the reason why some, are willing to take such drastic steps, to make themselves heard.

[DaBishop]

Originally Posted by NextLevel

What this man did can be called many things, but I don't blame him for doing what any reasonable person would do when faced with the kinds of issues he was faced with. America cannot continue to pursue the kind of foreign policy it currently pursues if it wants to pursue the kind of open immigration policy it is now pursuing. This is not 1945, this is the year 2009!

Sir,
America today has been great because it gets the best from all nations. You might not like it, but, the whole set up of the spy community is to use 'assets' in these nations against themselves...It is the way of the world, war is not a game...sir...I leave that there...

The soldier had a choice when he enlisted, he knew the stakes and as an intelligent man...would have surmised that the theatre of action for now being Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, his chances of deployment to kill persons of his faith were high...he signed for it, and derived the benefits of his education...
payback time, he resorts to his premordial instincts...I thought he was born American, how could his loyalties lie elsewhere?

Secondly, he could have been 'a consciencious objector' and taken that way out...methinks in this case, he was a closet jihadist...I could be wrong.

[ikechiji]

Fort Hood Shooter Tried to Contact Al Qaeda Terrorists, Officials Say

U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.

It is not known whether the intelligence agencies informed the Army that one of its officers was seeking to connect with suspected al Qaeda figures, the officials said.

One senior lawmaker said the CIA had, so far, refused to brief the intelligence committees on what, if any, knowledge they had about Hasan's efforts.

CIA director Leon Panetta and the Director of National Intelligence, Dennis Blair, have been asked by Congress "to preserve" all documents and intelligence files that relate to Hasan, according to the lawmaker.

On Sunday, Senator Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) called for an investigation into whether the Army missed signs as to whether Hasan was an Islamic extremist.

"If Hasan was showing signs, saying to people that he had become an Islamist extremist, the U.S. Army has to have a zero tolerance," Lieberman told Fox News Sunday.

Investigators want to know if Hasan maintained contact with a radical mosque leader from Virginia, Anwar al Awlaki, who now lives in Yemen and runs a web site that promotes jihad around the world against the U.S.

In a blog posting early Monday titled "Nidal Hassan Did the Right Thing," Awlaki calls Hassan a "hero" and a "man of conscience who could not bear living the contradiction of being a Muslim and serving in an army that is fighting against his own people."

According to his site, Awlaki served as an imam in Denver, San Diego and Falls Church, Virginia.

The Associated Press reported Sunday that Major Hasan attended the Falls Church mosque when Awlaki was there.

The Telegraph of London reported that Awlaki had made contact with two of the 9/11 hijackers when he was in San Diego.

He denied any knowledge of the hijacking plot and was never charged with any crime. After an intensive investigation by the FBI, Awlaki moved to Yemen.

People who knew or worked with Hasan say he seemed to have gradually become more radical in his disapproval of the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

A fellow Army doctor who studied with Hasan, Val Finell, told ABC News, "We would frequently say he was a Muslim first and an American second. And that came out in just about everything he did at the University.

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[NextLevel]

Originally Posted by DaBishop

Sir,
America today has been great because it gets the best from all nations. You might not like it, but, the whole set up of the spy community is to use 'assets' in these nations against themselves...It is the way of the world, war is not a game...sir...I leave that there...

The soldier had a choice when he enlisted, he knew the stakes and as an intelligent man...would have surmised that the theatre of action for now being Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, his chances of deployment to kill persons of his faith were high...he signed for it, and derived the benefits of his education...
payback time, he resorts to his premordial instincts...I thought he was born American, how could his loyalties lie elsewhere?

Secondly, he could have been 'a consciencious objector' and taken that way out...methinks in this case, he was a closet jihadist...I could be wrong.

Bishop,

Let's deal with the loyalty issues that I raised as they apply to this specific case. My main point here, which Auspicious has tried to obfuscate, is that as much as I do not want to deny the possibility that individuals exist who are Moslems and have stronger ties to America than their native countries, that Hasan's behavior is easily explained by reference to primordial ethnic and religious ties and does not require insanity, but that for some reason, those who are more enlightened than Ikechiji and myself think that only idiots can hold such a position and that madness must be implicated in behavior that reasonable people can hold on the basis of ethnic loyalty.

It is well known that legal and moral categorizations of innocent are circumstancial and subjective. After all, the US government deemed it necessary to round up Japanese Americans during World War 2 because it doubted their loyalty. Hence my reference to 1945 - you cannot continue to integrate a multiethnic society and continue all these global wars. If you fight any country, citizens of that country you've assimilated will be torn in their loyalties.

NL

[lateesha]

Originally Posted by ikechiji

Fort Hood Shooter Tried to Contact Al Qaeda Terrorists, Officials Say

U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.

It is not known whether the intelligence agencies informed the Army that one of its officers was seeking to connect with suspected al Qaeda figures, the officials said.

One senior lawmaker said the CIA had, so far, refused to brief the intelligence committees on what, if any, knowledge they had about Hasan's efforts.

CIA director Leon Panetta and the Director of National Intelligence, Dennis Blair, have been asked by Congress "to preserve" all documents and intelligence files that relate to Hasan, according to the lawmaker.

On Sunday, Senator Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) called for an investigation into whether the Army missed signs as to whether Hasan was an Islamic extremist.

"If Hasan was showing signs, saying to people that he had become an Islamist extremist, the U.S. Army has to have a zero tolerance," Lieberman told Fox News Sunday.

Investigators want to know if Hasan maintained contact with a radical mosque leader from Virginia, Anwar al Awlaki, who now lives in Yemen and runs a web site that promotes jihad around the world against the U.S.

In a blog posting early Monday titled "Nidal Hassan Did the Right Thing," Awlaki calls Hassan a "hero" and a "man of conscience who could not bear living the contradiction of being a Muslim and serving in an army that is fighting against his own people."
According to his site, Awlaki served as an imam in Denver, San Diego and Falls Church, Virginia.

The Associated Press reported Sunday that Major Hasan attended the Falls Church mosque when Awlaki was there.

The Telegraph of London reported that Awlaki had made contact with two of the 9/11 hijackers when he was in San Diego.

He denied any knowledge of the hijacking plot and was never charged with any crime. After an intensive investigation by the FBI, Awlaki moved to Yemen.

People who knew or worked with Hasan say he seemed to have gradually become more radical in his disapproval of the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

A fellow Army doctor who studied with Hasan, Val Finell, told ABC News, "We would frequently say he was a Muslim first and an American second. And that came out in just about everything he did at the University.

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And yet some people want us to believe there was no religious angle to this whole thing.
I wished the man was killed that cold afternoon but now that they are spending my tax money to treat him,they should hold some pincers to his scrotum let him tell us the truth bo

[I Love Nigeria]

Lateesha wrote, among other things that ...t

hey should hold some pincers to his scrotum let him tell us the truth bo

Lateesha and Dick Cheney are biological twins? pincers to his scrotum? I will not like to be near your hospital!

Hey folks, just when we thought water-boarding was cruel torture? Lateesha has just declared it a walk in the park as compared with this "scrota-testes" tests.

I am squirming at the mere thought of how genial and affable Lateesha must be

[NextLevel]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...roats-cut.html

Fort Hood gunman had told US military colleagues that infidels should have their throats cut
Major Nidal Malik Hasan, the gunman who killed 13 at America's Fort Hood military base, once gave a lecture to other doctors in which he said non-believers should be beheaded and have boiling oil poured down their throats.

He also told colleagues at America's top military hospital that non-Muslims were infidels condemned to hell who should be set on fire. The outburst came during an hour-long talk Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, gave on the Koran in front of dozens of other doctors at Walter Reed Army Medical Centre in Washington DC, where he worked for six years before arriving at Fort Hood in July.
Colleagues had expected a discussion on a medical issue but were instead given an extremist interpretation of the Koran, which Hasan appeared to believe.

It was the latest in a series of "red flags" about his state of mind that have emerged since the massacre at Fort Hood, America's largest military installation, on Thursday.
Hasan, armed with two handguns including a semi-automatic pistol, walked into a processing centre for soldiers deploying to Iraq and Afghanistan, where he killed 13 and injured more than 30.
Fellow doctors have recounted how they were repeatedly harangued by Hasan about religion and that he openly claimed to be a "Muslim first and American second."
One Army doctor who knew him said a fear of appearing discriminatory against a Muslim soldier had stopped fellow officers from filing formal complaints.
Another, Dr Val Finnell, who took a course with him in 2007 at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Maryland, did complain about Hasan's "anti-American rants." He said: "The system is not doing what it's supposed to do. He at least should have been confronted about these beliefs, told to cease and desist, and to shape up or ship out. I really questioned his loyalty."
Selena Coppa, an activist for Iraq Veterans Against the War, said: "This man was a psychiatrist and was working with other psychiatrists every day and they failed to notice how deeply disturbed someone right in their midst was."
One of Hasan's neighbours described how on the day of the massacre, about 9am, he gave her a Koran and told her: "I'm going to do good work for God" before leaving for the base.
A civilian police officer who shot him, bringing the rampage to an end, said Hasan appeared "calm" during the massacre, hiding behind a telephone pole and shooting fellow soldiers in the back as they tried to get away.
"He was firing at people as they were trying to run and hide, said Sgt Mark Todd. "Then he turned and fired a couple of rounds at me. I didn't hear him say a word, he just turned and fired."
Hasan flinched after he was shot and slid down against the pole still clutching his gun, which had a laser sight on it. The officer kicked away the weapon and handcuffed him.
He said: "The guy was breathing, his eyes were blinking. I could tell that he was fading out and he didn't say anything. He was just kind of blinking."
Senator Joe Lieberman, who chairs the US Senate Committee on Homeland Security, said there had been "strong warning signs" that Hasan was an "Islamist extremist".
The committee would ask "whether the Army missed warning signs that should have led them to essentially discharge him, he said. He added: "The US
Army has to have zero tolerance. He should have been gone."
But General George Casey, the Army's Chief of Staff, said it was "speculation" that military authorities failed to pick up on warning signs. "I don't want to say that we missed it," he said.
Asked if military authorities had missed warning signs Gen Casey, the Army's Chief of Staff, added: "We have to go back and look at ourselves ,and ask ourselves the hard questions. Are we doing the right things? We will learn from this.
"It's too early to draw conclusions but we will ask ourselves the hard questions about what we are doing and the changes we should make as a result of this."

[lateesha]

Originally Posted by NextLevel

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...roats-cut.html

Fort Hood gunman had told US military colleagues that infidels should have their throats cut
Major Nidal Malik Hasan, the gunman who killed 13 at America's Fort Hood military base, once gave a lecture to other doctors in which he said non-believers should be beheaded and have boiling oil poured down their throats.

He also told colleagues at America's top military hospital that non-Muslims were infidels condemned to hell who should be set on fire. The outburst came during an hour-long talk Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, gave on the Koran in front of dozens of other doctors at Walter Reed Army Medical Centre in Washington DC, where he worked for six years before arriving at Fort Hood in July.
Colleagues had expected a discussion on a medical issue but were instead given an extremist interpretation of the Koran, which Hasan appeared to believe.

It was the latest in a series of "red flags" about his state of mind that have emerged since the massacre at Fort Hood, America's largest military installation, on Thursday.
Hasan, armed with two handguns including a semi-automatic pistol, walked into a processing centre for soldiers deploying to Iraq and Afghanistan, where he killed 13 and injured more than 30.
Fellow doctors have recounted how they were repeatedly harangued by Hasan about religion and that he openly claimed to be a "Muslim first and American second."
One Army doctor who knew him said a fear of appearing discriminatory against a Muslim soldier had stopped fellow officers from filing formal complaints.
Another, Dr Val Finnell, who took a course with him in 2007 at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Maryland, did complain about Hasan's "anti-American rants." He said: "The system is not doing what it's supposed to do. He at least should have been confronted about these beliefs, told to cease and desist, and to shape up or ship out. I really questioned his loyalty."
Selena Coppa, an activist for Iraq Veterans Against the War, said: "This man was a psychiatrist and was working with other psychiatrists every day and they failed to notice how deeply disturbed someone right in their midst was."
One of Hasan's neighbours described how on the day of the massacre, about 9am, he gave her a Koran and told her: "I'm going to do good work for God" before leaving for the base.
A civilian police officer who shot him, bringing the rampage to an end, said Hasan appeared "calm" during the massacre, hiding behind a telephone pole and shooting fellow soldiers in the back as they tried to get away.
"He was firing at people as they were trying to run and hide, said Sgt Mark Todd. "Then he turned and fired a couple of rounds at me. I didn't hear him say a word, he just turned and fired."
Hasan flinched after he was shot and slid down against the pole still clutching his gun, which had a laser sight on it. The officer kicked away the weapon and handcuffed him.
He said: "The guy was breathing, his eyes were blinking. I could tell that he was fading out and he didn't say anything. He was just kind of blinking."
Senator Joe Lieberman, who chairs the US Senate Committee on Homeland Security, said there had been "strong warning signs" that Hasan was an "Islamist extremist".
The committee would ask "whether the Army missed warning signs that should have led them to essentially discharge him, he said. He added: "The US
Army has to have zero tolerance. He should have been gone."
But General George Casey, the Army's Chief of Staff, said it was "speculation" that military authorities failed to pick up on warning signs. "I don't want to say that we missed it," he said.
Asked if military authorities had missed warning signs Gen Casey, the Army's Chief of Staff, added: "We have to go back and look at ourselves ,and ask ourselves the hard questions. Are we doing the right things? We will learn from this.
"It's too early to draw conclusions but we will ask ourselves the hard questions about what we are doing and the changes we should make as a result of this."

I said it earlier,their high rate of tolerance for anything but Christianity will be their undoing.
Let them keep tolerating these lunatics that have showed them obvious signs
Do we remember Jeremiah Wright and how he was equated to the devil himself
These liberal media will cover anything Islam .
If this guy had been a pastor,the whole nation would have heard it.
The lesbian called Rachel maddow would have been running her mouth like an Nkanu ogene achikolo gong
all of MSNBC and CNN won't let us hear.
It is not Islamic abi?

[EezeeBee]

Question for Auspicious (and anyone else)

Were any 'innocent people' killed in Iraq and environs by 2,000 ton bombs during the Iraq 'war'?

By whom?

[Auspicious]

Originally Posted by EezeeBee

Question for Auspicious (and anyone else)

Were any 'innocent people' killed in Iraq and environs by 2,000 ton bombs during the Iraq 'war'?

By whom?

1. Yes, innocent Iraqis were killed by those bombs.

2. The Bombs belonged to the US Armed Forces.

Auspicious.

[Obugi]

Lateesha,

Originally Posted by lateesha

I said it earlier,their high rate of tolerance for anything but Christianity will be their undoing.

I'm sure people in Iraq and Iran will find it funny that anyone claims America is tolerant of Islam.

I do agree with you, though. America should confine them all to concentration camps, then deport all Muslims, then drop atomic weapons on Iran. The we the meek shall inherit the oil....ooops, I men the earth as prophesied by the Bible

Obugi.

[dem]

Originally Posted by Exxcuzme

It's irrational people that will equate this man act with Islam. So every time a Christian commits a murderous act, all Christians should be held in suspicious?

One of the biggest problem of modern humanity is the denial of stark, naked truth. It is the bully syndrome:

Most people think you placate the bully and he/she will make nice. No; that don't work. You stand up to the bully and make him/her stand down. That's the only language bullies understand because that is why they are bullies in the first place.

It is the reason I think the UK is going to the dogs as it has completely handed over to the muslims. They call the shots and do what they want here.

The common denominator with all of this is ISLAM. Some can chose to shy away from that if they find it big and comforting. Christianity had it's period of blood thirtyness too. These things are of course mixed up with the socio-political leanings of the times. Not so anymore. Islam and a lot of it adherents have refused to budge.

If you are scared of deployment to war, you leg it across the border. You don't take people's lives knowing you will lose yours in the process and shouting some religious thingys.

The common denominator is Islam.

[dem]

Originally Posted by liloldlady

Does the fact that Malik Hassan, thought and talked and acted like he did, mean that every muslim is talking and thinking and would act like him?

This might make uncomfortable reading for some villagers.

But to answer that question: From my personal experiences and relationships spanning a few countries, no, I don't think EVERY Muslim talks and thinks and would act like Maj Hassan. Most Muslims are peaceful and just want to get on with life.

However, I think quite a few Muslims do think like Maj Hassan and even a bigger proportion cheer those types of actions.

Part reason, I suspect, is that some Muslims see actions like these (rightly or wrongly) as obligatory, mandated or dutiful.

[EezeeBee]

Originally Posted by Auspicious

...justifying or making excuses for the brutal annihilation of innocent people...

- As, I asked, were there any 'innocents' killed in Iraq?
- Was their annihilation 'justified'?
- Why? (perhaps because they are/were muslims and mostly not 'white'?)

I'm sorry all those people at Fort Hood lost their lives. The doctor/soldier did something WRONG.

What I can't understand is all the hand-wringing that goes on when something like this occurs because I don't see any such equivalent when the US KILLS 'innocents' elsewhere.

Or maybe they aren't so 'innocent' after all; they're not Americans which of course could warrant their elimination as 'collateral damage', couldn't it?