"Why We Left Our Husbands"....5 Women Provide Startling Reasons

[liloldlady]

Originally Posted by lateesha

What is your "problem" ?

you neva seem am....keep looking you will soon find it

[Oluwato]

Originally Posted by Ph3y

....I still insist that Ketubah does not guarantee a fail-proof marriage. It doesn't stop the guy or lady from walking away from it all. I also pointed out that those "eternity vows" you claimed were deceptive works.....If you need proof of that then it means you're so out of touch with reality. I personally know more people who were married based on those vows and are still together. If you need proof, i don't mind typing out their contacts so you can call them to confirm.



You said the above yourself o....That it was a written agreement....unless of course you meant it was "written in the air".....To me written agreement means the document [real or virtual] has to be attested to. If you go Here you will see how i reached my assumption of it being signed. Remember the Berean Christians, They went back to study and confirm whatever they were taught from scriptures.....To make sure they got their facts right. So i am not talking 'ignorantly' here. unless of course you definition of ignorance is the fact that we were not taught by the same Rabbi.


I still don't agree with this. Cos my understanding of your ketubah is that it is to protect the woman in case the guy dies or divorces her....So you see Even our almighty Ketubah does not necessarily make the marriage last forever




Finally Madam, I do not like your statement above. We can discuss issues intelligently without using statements like the above..........
Enjoy your day

There are two things I see here - 1) The stretching of the use of a ketubah (which spells out an agreement clearly and the roles of involved parties) as guarantee for "everlasting marriage" and
2) The stretching of your anecdotal data as proof of the viability of "ketubahless" marriages to the exclusion of the importance of a ketubah.

Regarding the first you lightly touched on it, so let me highlight the facts again, the Ketubah reduces the "usual negative emotions" that follow divorce, widowhood, separation and adultery, that makes it a more amiable approach to marriage because "parties are in the know".

Regarding the second, I would wager that the number of couples you've met, assuming you were 70 years old and you met one couple per day who remained in a good marriage (let's not even declare the marriage monogamous) without a ketubah, that number (25,550) is an unrepresentative sample for the whole of Yorubaland, talkless of Nigeria! Do a search on ecological fallacy, that would shed more light.

Lastly, I enjoy politeness, it enhances the "age/respect/honor" factor that Yorubas value as a culture, when you show true politeness in your questioning, then you will receive such. What a man/woman sows, he/she reaps!!

[Babine]

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[MsWoman]

@Oluwato:

Anyone who hears (abi reads de ni) the way you talk about this whole Jewish religion in fact dem go tink say Jews are faultless, innocenties who live lives that ANY and ALL must emulate to be considered righteous and noble before God meanwhile………………..make I nor just even finish the sentence. In addition, you make this religion seem like it’s the ultimate and that everything else na cantafeet (counterfeit) religion! Me, I be Pentecostal jammed with MFM and know say plus me, plus Jew na God wey know the people wey dey worship am and He will more than likely bless us all, each according to his/her faith! Wheda we like am or not!

I am in no way putting down your new-found or quest-for-growth in this religion. Who born me to go that route? I’m just sort of telling you how you tend to come across at times, especially when someone else questions your ideology of the Jewish religion in relation to what most know as the norm i.e. as far as Christian religion/practice is concerned. For example, I went into a marriage with my spouse based on a covenant. In addition, if not for the fact that I will still be toasted by men (just this yestaday with my big shiny ring, one bo-bo toasted me at party and I had to nicely tell him say oga, begone, I am a married woman), I could care less if I exchanged rings on my wedding day, because I felt very strongly that I would rather exchange the Word of God in place of rings at the ceremony. Why? What is a ring other than an adorning ornament, anyway, I digress.

God’s word and my understanding of this word regarding marriage is the basis of “my” marriage that is what makes it what it is. That we in front of God said we wanted to live as husband and wife forever ti-ti lai-lai. The trust and faith in each other and holding ourselves accountable before God that we want to be together, etc. Now all of a sudden, you tell me, it’s fake! How can? What is the difference b/w this your ketubah and the agreement my husband and I made with one another and with God as our witness? Abi all of a sudden, the Christian marriage is not about a man knowing what his duty is to his wife in the marriage? Your statement should be made to people who enter into marriages just because they found a girl and liked her and married her and vice-versa (still, IMO you may have a hard time trying to identify such a person)…………for all you know, many Christians just may understand the sanctity of marriage and have gone into it to fulfill all its righteous intents and purposes.

[liloldlady]

Originally Posted by MsWoman

@Oluwato:

"........Me, I be Pentecostal jammed with MFM and know say plus me, plus Jew na God wey know the people wey dey worship am and He will more than likely bless us all, each according to his/her faith! Wheda we like am or not......."

My sister wetin you mean by MFM bicos di tin wey me sef sabi as MFM....na completely diffren tin O.

[Oluwato]

Originally Posted by MsWoman

@Oluwato:
Anyone who hears (abi reads de ni) the way you talk about this whole Jewish religion in fact dem go tink say Jews are faultless, innocenties who live lives that ANY and ALL must emulate to be considered righteous and noble before God meanwhile………………..make I nor just even finish the sentence.

Using the term "anyone" is stretching it too far, I'd prefer some people. God CHOOSE the Jews and made them His people, that sets them apart, the bible is clear on that. The fact that they HAD God's Torah gave them "inside privilege" to the mind of God and this is revealed in many of their social laws.

Originally Posted by MsWoman

In addition, you make this religion seem like it’s the ultimate and that everything else na cantafeet (counterfeit) religion! Me, I be Pentecostal jammed with MFM and know say plus me, plus Jew na God wey know the people wey dey worship am and He will more than likely bless us all, each according to his/her faith! Wheda we like am or not!

You're obviously missing something here. Are you referring to Judaism (orthodox/ultra orthodox) or Messianic Judaism... there is a difference,...Messianc Judaism also referred to as Messianic Christianity is what you are whether you believe you are or not, you ARE in God's family through Jesus Christ who in Hebrew is called Yeshua Mashiach.

Originally Posted by MsWoman

I am in no way putting down your new-found or quest-for-growth in this religion. Who born me to go that route? I’m just sort of telling you how you tend to come across at times, especially when someone else questions your ideology of the Jewish religion in relation to what most know as the norm i.e. as far as Christian religion/practice is concerned.

"How I tend to come across" is relative to the person reading. Perhaps it is the "closed mindset of the reader" that emits that perception. Also, Christianity is based on Judaism (orthodox), it is only in the belief of the messiah-ship of Jesus Christ that Christianity differs from orthodox Judaism. indeed, Christians SHOULD build upon Jewish tenets as "allowed" in the Messiah-ship of Jesus Christ.

Originally Posted by MsWoman

For example, I went into a marriage with my spouse based on a covenant. In addition, if not for the fact that I will still be toasted by men (just this yestaday with my big shiny ring, one bo-bo toasted me at party and I had to nicely tell him say oga, begone, I am a married woman), I could care less if I exchanged rings on my wedding day, because I felt very strongly that I would rather exchange the Word of God in place of rings at the ceremony. Why? What is a ring other than an adorning ornament, anyway, I digress.

So that's you. That's your expression. Every marriage has terms of agreement, that's why a marriage exists.

Originally Posted by MsWoman

God’s word and my understanding of this word regarding marriage is the basis of “my” marriage that is what makes it what it is. That we in front of God said we wanted to live as husband and wife forever ti-ti lai-lai. The trust and faith in each other and holding ourselves accountable before God that we want to be together, etc. Now all of a sudden, you tell me, it’s fake! How can?

Just where did you read what I bolded in my posts? Kindly focus on what I've written and not what you think that I have written!

Originally Posted by MsWoman

What is the difference b/w this your ketubah and the agreement my husband and I made with one another and with God as our witness?

You tell me! Ketubah is a written document of the agreement between a woman and a man. Did you and your husband put your agreement in writing? If you did, you had a ketubah, if you didn't you did not have a ketubah. It's as simple as that.

Originally Posted by MsWoman

Abi all of a sudden, the Christian marriage is not about a man knowing what his duty is to his wife in the marriage?

If that's what you read, then that's what you read. However, if the days of the apostles and also Torah times, if men were made to write down their duties and consequences of default, I chose to align my wisdom with theirs and promote such ideologies.

Originally Posted by MsWoman

Your statement should be made to people who enter into marriages just because they found a girl and liked her and married her and vice-versa (still, IMO you may have a hard time trying to identify such a person)…………for all you know, many Christians just may understand the sanctity of marriage and have gone into it to fulfill all its righteous intents and purposes.

Thanks for the suggestion but I disagree. My statement holds for all Christians, last time I checked, it was a free world and humans can still make choices.

[MrsChocT]

Pastor Dr. VM , where is the follow up article on this thread?