FIFA U - 20 World Cup Egypt 2009 - Page 2

Mikky jaga · Oct 3, 2009 , 02:28 PM

Let's thank God for small mercies. Cameroun is definitely out and South Africa will know her fate today, but their chances are not bright at all. Only Egypt and Ghana made it to the last 16 by topping their respective groups.

Our boys scored five goals, four of those goals are from defenders. That tells us why we are where we are in Egypt - Aimless strikers.

omaks · Oct 3, 2009 , 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by Mikky jaga

Let's thank God for small mercies. Cameroun is definitely out and South Africa will know her fate today, but their chances are not bright at all. Only Egypt and Ghana made it to the last 16 by topping their respective groups.

Our boys scored five goals, four of those goals are from defenders. That tells us why we are where we are in Egypt - Aimless strikers.

Actually South Africa qualified to the last 16 stage this evening, beating Honduras 2 goals to nothing. The game was interesting enough, witha superb volley by Khumalo.

I agree with you though that our boys are not firing on all cylinders. Optimistically saying though, anything can happen from here on. If all our defenders are banging in the goals in every match and defending very well to win the matches and indeed the tournamenet it wouldn't matter in the end.

Mikky jaga · Oct 5, 2009 , 10:25 AM

Nigeria is playing Germany next! Any chances? In football, anything can happen. They should avoid physical play as much as they can. It seems the referees have been instructed to protect the young players by all means.

Mikky jaga · Oct 5, 2009 , 08:01 PM

Well, well, well. wonders shall never end.

Italy, a third place finisher has ended Spain's glorious run in this year's u20 World Cup.

Spain that scored 13 goals in the group stages without conceding any is out. It lost 3 goals to one to Italy.

Who says Nigeria cannot beat Germany on Wednesday? Keep your fingers crossed.

Odinaka · Oct 7, 2009 , 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by Mikky jaga

Well, well, well. wonders shall never end.

Italy, a third place finisher has ended Spain's glorious run in this year's u20 World Cup.

Spain that scored 13 goals in the group stages without conceding any is out. It lost 3 goals to one to Italy.

Who says Nigeria cannot beat Germany on Wednesday? Keep your fingers crossed.

Well, we did not beat them, thanks to a bad defending and comedy goalkeeping (one might say the goalkeeper redeemed himself with some brilliant interceptions). With Germany reduced to ten men and we going one goal up, I thought we should have finished the business easily, but that wasn't to be.

Bunch17 · Oct 7, 2009 , 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by Odinaka

Well, we did not beat them, thanks to a bad defending and comedy goalkeeping (one might say the goalkeeper redeemed himself with some brilliant interceptions). With Germany reduced to ten men and we going one goal up, I thought we should have finished the business easily, but that wasn't to be.

Blame Sia Sia!

omaks · Oct 7, 2009 , 10:56 PM

I thought i would be opportuned to watch this match, but other commitments robbed me of the chance. I have just learnt that Germany carried the day, and to me that's not surprising. I hardly expected us to progress any further. the psyche of the team wasn't right. having struggled through the group stages, it was going to be difficult. Now i'm going to concentrate my attention of next weekend, when the Super (or not so Super) Eagles will attempt to play their part the the 2010 quali.

Dapxin · Oct 7, 2009 , 11:09 PM

I just remembered about the match...........should i be glad I saved my heart some forced hyper-cycles ?

Dapxin · Oct 8, 2009 , 02:22 AM

Ok. I saw the highlights.
here http://www.footytube.com/video/germa...20-oct07-24651

I gat not fuda comments.

Mikky jaga · Oct 8, 2009 , 02:50 PM

Well, I watched the game. The boys tried, beat the Germans in all departments of the game but lost to some careless defending. Exactly the same way the Super eagles lost the world cup qualifying match to the Tunisians.

It only goes to show that the fault is not in our boys (Super or Flying) or our coach (Amodu or Sia) but in our stars that brings us bad luck when we needed good luck the most. Bad leadership permeates every sector of our society with evil aura that makes excellence an impossible task.

Bunch17 · Oct 11, 2009 , 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Mikky jaga

It only goes to show that the fault is not in our boys (Super or Flying) or our coach (Amodu or Sia) but in our stars that brings us bad luck when we needed good luck the most. Bad leadership permeates every sector of our society with evil aura that makes excellence an impossible task.

You must be kidding, Sia Sia spent over 5 minutes before deciding to replace a defender who was injured and off the field. It was during this time that the Germans scored their second goal.

He failed to exploit our one man advantage and out team played as if we were the onces one down. Finally he failed to control the team who decided to go one a kamikaze attack during injury time despite our one man advantage.

Mikky jaga · Oct 12, 2009 , 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by Bunch17

You must be kidding, Sia Sia spent over 5 minutes before deciding to replace a defender who was injured and off the field. It was during this time that the Germans scored their second goal.

He failed to exploit our one man advantage and out team played as if we were the onces one down. Finally he failed to control the team who decided to go one a kamikaze attack during injury time despite our one man advantage.

You forget to acknowledge that a team that is one man down plays more cautiously. Venezuela and Spain could not finish Nigeria off when we were one man down. We even played better. Nigeria found it easier to pump 4 goals past Tahiti and could only score a goal when the people were reduced to 9.

Sia needed enough reserve to boost the attack hence his reluctance to change the defender. None of us can see the future, all we do is play our cards and hope for the best. That is where the element of luck comes in.

The boys saw an opportunity to finish off the game without going into extra time, they went for it but as fate would have it, the Germans caught us on the rebound. Nothing ventured, nothing gained and of course nothing ventured nothing lost

Our boys tried. No one gave them a chance against the Germans and they came close to beating them.. Our political atmosphere at home does not encourage excellence, hence we remain ordinary, while Ghana that got her act right politically is taking all the glories.

Bunch17 · Oct 12, 2009 , 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by Mikky jaga

You forget to acknowledge that a team that is one man down plays more cautiously. Venezuela and Spain could not finish Nigeria off when we were one man down. We even played better. Nigeria found it easier to pump 4 goals past Tahiti and could only score a goal when the people were reduced to 9.

Sia needed enough reserve to boost the attack hence his reluctance to change the defender. None of us can see the future, all we do is play our cards and hope for the best. That is where the element of luck comes in.

The boys saw an opportunity to finish off the game without going into extra time, they went for it but as fate would have it, the Germans caught us on the rebound. Nothing ventured, nothing gained and of course nothing ventured nothing lost

Our boys tried. No one gave them a chance against the Germans and they came close to beating them.. Our political atmosphere at home does not encourage excellence, hence we remain ordinary, while Ghana that got her act right politically is taking all the glories.

First, as I recall, the Venezuelans scored after we went a man down. I did not see the Spain game. They may not have killed us off, but they sure killed us.

It is Coaching 101 to make sure that you change a crocked defender ASAP not spend 5+ minutes deciding on whether to change or not. This is more so considering that the German player operating on that wing was very good.

Playing our cards includes taking the right decision, preparation and being tactically astute and disciplined. We were did none yet we blame luck.
Against Venezuela, when we were a man down, the passed the ball around, making our guys run, getting them tired.

I would understand our chaps undertaking the Kamikaze defence as we did if we were the ones that were a man down. It was the German team with a man down that were at risk of getting fatigued and not the Nigerian team. All we needed was to knock the ball around until final whistle but we could not.

I bet you did not see any thing wrong with Amoudu's tactics yesterday, just that "fate/luck nearly did not smile on us".

Mikky jaga · Oct 12, 2009 , 05:16 PM

I bet you did not see any thing wrong with Amoudu's tactics yesterday, just that "fate/luck nearly did not smile on us".

Amodu made a substitution that broke the deadlock. What else does a coach do - enter the field to score goals?

omaks · Oct 12, 2009 , 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by Bunch17

You must be kidding, Sia Sia spent over 5 minutes before deciding to replace a defender who was injured and off the field. It was during this time that the Germans scored their second goal.

He failed to exploit our one man advantage and out team played as if we were the onces one down. Finally he failed to control the team who decided to go one a kamikaze attack during injury time despite our one man advantage.

Bunchie you must be a very brave man indeed. to many Siasia is a mini god on the back of his impeccable success in under age football. It's something of a rude a wakjening to many to see that Siasia has has a taste of bad results in this U -20 tournament, even he acknowledged that he has never had it so bad like this before.

A manager does not suddenly become a bad manager over night, and i strongly believe that had Siasia been saddled with the responsibility of the flyiing eagles from the beginning, things would probably have been different. Then again it's not that he didn't have adequate timeto prepare the guys handed down to him from Ladan Bosso.

Anyhow, i just believe that this tournament wasn't ours to win this time around.

omaks · Oct 12, 2009 , 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by Mikky jaga

Amodu made a substitution that broke the deadlock. What else does a coach do - enter the field to score goals?

Mikky, IF by some stroke of luck Nigeria qualifies for the 2010 world cup i will not be surprised that Amodu is not in charge of the team to the championship proper. As much as i would like to see a local Nigerian coach in charge, Amodu has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is 'punching above his weight'. Amodu has come to his 'wit's end', and has nothing useful offer, to push this crop of players beyond their current performance levels. (Amateurish in the least)

The substitution was a good one, but overall the team did not play well. in fact i strongly believe that Mozambique was better in all ramifications, and were unlucky not to get anything out of the game. The match against Tunisia and Mozambique has really shown how inadequate our players are at present. We need fresh impetus, if we are to succeed in the main.

Mikky jaga · Oct 13, 2009 , 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by omaks

Mikky, IF by some stroke of luck Nigeria qualifies for the 2010 world cup i will not be surprised that Amodu is not in charge of the team to the championship proper. As much as i would like to see a local Nigerian coach in charge, Amodu has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is 'punching above his weight'. Amodu has come to his 'wit's end', and has nothing useful offer, to push this crop of players beyond their current performance levels. (Amateurish in the least)

The substitution was a good one, but overall the team did not play well. in fact i strongly believe that Mozambique was better in all ramifications, and were unlucky not to get anything out of the game. The match against Tunisia and Mozambique has really shown how inadequate our players are at present. We need fresh impetus, if we are to succeed in the main.

So, Sia is no good, Amodu is no good. Who is good, maybe Ghana Coach of the U20. We can go on our knees and beg Ghana to loan us their coach so we can have good technical bench!! Shame!!!

When are we going to get it that, especially at the adult stage, it is the quality of players that win games not the coaches. The coach is only there to provide guidance and direction. The actual match is played, won or lost by the eleven players on the field.

Ghana had a pointsman in Ayew Pele, and they were winning their matches. Yemi Tella had Chrisantus, and won the cadet championship. Ivory Coast had Drogba, they are on the way to the WC. Cameroun has Etoo and they came from behind to top their group.

Who is the pointman for the U 20 or Amodu's Super Eagles. None. Aiyegbeni, Obagoal: people that fire blanks when we need goals. The U20 had to rely on defenders to score goals for them and we expect miracles.

Man City recruited the best strikers and the result is showing.

As for Amodu, what else can a coach do? He played over 20 WC qualifiers and lost none. He recorded only 3 draws. How many oyibo that had coached Nigeria had such credentials? Amodu is using what he can use at present. No good coach will undertake a total overhaul of his team midway into WC qualification. Even Argentina that were on the verge of knock out did not do such thing. If we qualify, Amodu should look for reliable strikers in the mould of Drogba, Etoo and Adebayo. And we will be on our way to soccer glory once again.

In USA, Nigeria had Yekini. But once Yekini was crowded out by other strikers because of his celebration of Nigeria's 1st WC goal, that was the end of our advancement in the tourney.

Let's leave sentiment aside. Amodu has boosted his credentials with these Eagles. Nigeria will only be throwing away our most experienced Coach if we dispense with Amodu now.

Bunch17 · Oct 13, 2009 , 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Mikky jaga

So, Sia is no good, Amodu is no good. Who is good, maybe Ghana Coach of the U20. We can go on our knees and beg Ghana to loan us their coach so we can have good technical bench!! Shame!!!

When are we going to get it that, especially at the adult stage, it is the quality of players that win games not the coaches. The coach is only there to provide guidance and direction. The actual match is played, won or lost by the eleven players on the field.

Ghana had a pointsman in Ayew Pele, and they were winning their matches. Yemi Tella had Chrisantus, and won the cadet championship. Ivory Coast had Drogba, they are on the way to the WC. Cameroun has Etoo and they came from behind to top their group.

Who is the pointman for the U 20 or Amodu's Super Eagles. None. Aiyegbeni, Obagoal: people that fire blanks when we need goals. The U20 had to rely on defenders to score goals for them and we expect miracles.

Man City recruited the best strikers and the result is showing.

As for Amodu, what else can a coach do? He played over 20 WC qualifiers and lost none. He recorded only 3 draws. How many oyibo that had coached Nigeria had such credentials? Amodu is using what he can use at present. No good coach will undertake a total overhaul of his team midway into WC qualification. Even Argentina that were on the verge of knock out did not do such thing. If we qualify, Amodu should look for reliable strikers in the mould of Drogba, Etoo and Adebayo. And we will be on our way to soccer glory once again.

In USA, Nigeria had Yekini. But once Yekini was crowded out by other strikers because of his celebration of Nigeria's 1st WC goal, that was the end of our advancement in the tourney.

Let's leave sentiment aside. Amodu has boosted his credentials with these Eagles. Nigeria will only be throwing away our most experienced Coach if we dispense with Amodu now.

I had to be sure you were not being sarcastic before responding to this your post. Sorry, MJ it is your post that is riddled with sentiments.
Anytime one watches a football match, one is able to see the input of the coaches and the managers and that of the players. Against Mozambique, there was none from Amaoudu. None of the Mozanbique boys was good enough to lace the boots of our players yet they played us off the pack.

They played like a team, were tactically displined against a very inept Nigerian side. Point out which of the Mozambique guys that will make out team (apart from the goal keeper) yet they were miles ahead of us.

For a state, we only had one creative player on the pitch Odenwingwie(sp?), where did Amoudu play him in the wings, who was he supporting ? Slow coach Yakubu. One would have expected that if you were going to use the pace of Odenwingwie, he should be supported by the pace of Martins.

Now when Nsofor comes in, one would have expected that Odenwingwie would be drafted to the centre, no! He continue in the wings.

Amoudu is a disgrace!

omaks · Oct 16, 2009 , 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by Mikky jaga

So, Sia is no good, Amodu is no good. Who is good, maybe Ghana Coach of the U20. We can go on our knees and beg Ghana to loan us their coach so we can have good technical bench!! Shame!!!

When are we going to get it that, especially at the adult stage, it is the quality of players that win games not the coaches. The coach is only there to provide guidance and direction. The actual match is played, won or lost by the eleven players on the field.

Haba Mikky? Wetin happen? It think like Bunchie assumed, you must have said the highlighted 'TONGUE IN CHEEK'. So let me just say this in case you really meant the highlighted part. Who is in charge of selecting the team of players? THE COACH. Who decides the tactics to be employed? THE COACH. Who is in charge of the team? THE COACH. Who gets sacked when desired results are not achieved? THE COACH.

Originally Posted by Mikky jaga

Ghana had a pointsman in Ayew Pele, and they were winning their matches. Yemi Tella had Chrisantus, and won the cadet championship. Ivory Coast had Drogba, they are on the way to the WC. Cameroun has Etoo and they came from behind to top their group.

Now Mikky, i think you are confusing issues here. If the Nigerian teams don't have a performing pointsman in Aiyegbeni and Obagoal, why did Amodu call them to the camp? The responsibility for that decision to invite them rests with Amodu, and so do does the FLAK. The Coach is there because he is trusted that he can make adequate decisions to excel in matches. If it's not the case he is deem a failure. If he succeeds then the glory is his too. Are their no other points men in Nigeria that can be tried and tested? Has Amodu searched the local league , and tried out some of the players there? The success or failure of the teams rest solely with the Coach staff predominantly, though the players too carry some of the blame.

Originally Posted by Mikky jaga

As for Amodu, what else can a coach do? He played over 20 WC qualifiers and lost none. He recorded only 3 draws. How many oyibo that had coached Nigeria had such credentials? Amodu is using what he can use at present. No good coach will undertake a total overhaul of his team midway into WC qualification. Even Argentina that were on the verge of knock out did not do such thing. If we qualify, Amodu should look for reliable strikers in the mould of Drogba, Etoo and Adebayo. And we will be on our way to soccer glory once again.

I have recognised Amodu's good performance in the previous stages of qualification, and that is where that ends. As for the the latter stages, where has his not losing games left us? On the brink of missing the 'plane to South Africa 2010'. It's not good enough. Should we only be drawing matches? Now the highlighted part in your post really confuses me. Shouldn't Amodu have been looking for these reliable strikers during qualifying in the first place?

Originally Posted by Mikky jaga

In USA, Nigeria had Yekini. But once Yekini was crowded out by other strikers because of his celebration of Nigeria's 1st WC goal, that was the end of our advancement in the tourney.

Let's leave sentiment aside. Amodu has boosted his credentials with these Eagles. Nigeria will only be throwing away our most experienced Coach if we dispense with Amodu now.

Amodu hasn't boosted his credentials. He's still bandying the same old 'half - baked' achievements of yesteryears. While many coaches around the world are improving themselves knowledgewise, Amodu is stuck in the same old ways, and that's why hhis results are not too dissimilar from the past; 'NEARLY MAN'

Originally Posted by Bunch17

Amoudu is a disgrace!

Amodu a Disgrace? I don't quite agree with you on that. I think he's discharged himself to the best of his ability, which in this case is sorely inadequate. I understand your passion though. I feel frustrated too.

Bunch17 · Oct 16, 2009 , 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by omaks

Amodu a Disgrace? I don't quite agree with you on that. I think he's discharged himself to the best of his ability, which in this case is sorely inadequate. I understand your passion though. I feel frustrated too.

Are you implying that his abililty is ...

Don't mind Mikky Jaga, he bought into that old propaganda dished by inadequate Nigerian Coaches of time past. "My boys did not play according to instruction" when we lose and "My boys played according to instructions" when we win. I remember the ridiculous statement made by Tunde Disu at Saudi when we came from 4-0 down to win against the Soviet Union. You guessed it, "My boys played according to instructions".

Each time you watch a team, you are able to tell what imput is a coaches and the input from the players. Mikky Just assumes because you win matches, you must be good.