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Discussion in 'The Main Square' started by Big-K, Apr 22, 2011.
Read the full speech
It is an anniversary worth celebrating every year till the wishes of the young men are fulfilled
I lost my first cousin in that revolution. He was the adjutant to Major Mukoro.
Gideon orkar should be the one in Comouflage.
I could remember this day went visting a familly in Ikorudu.
After Lagos governor Rasaki rally troop and help IBB foiled the coup, soldier took over Ogboru fish house at Ikorodu -Lagos Road and were selling the fish to Ikorodu locals.
I dont know if IBB could be tried for Killing these young dynamic Officers.
If he escape to the world beyong, his children should feel the pain.
IBB is a criminal.
Sad to hear, I hope your family member is doing okay from the crisis in the north. You know Rtd. Prof. Mukoro is vying for governor of Delta state.
Yes. I was able to speak to my nephew last night. He told me he was hiding out in the barracks.
This sounds like real sorrowful war story. A country full of human and mineral resources.
Some few individual turn it to hell on earth.
Sorry for the lost of your cousin, Picato.
I am happy IBB is made disable.
Looking forward the day he be put on trial.
Afterall, Augutus pinoche was tried in his eighties.
1. Mgborogwu wrote, among other things, ... that...
We have national challenges, amongst which are poverty, inequality, marginalization and extreme economic hardship-suffering etc
BUT, the way to address these, would not be some immature, childish,sophomoric, incoherent and bigoted, discriminatory and hateful ways... otherwise, the cycle is merely repeated (with the natural attitude being, if you kill my cousin...)
Sometime you make lots of sense, but other times you write for the sake of writing. I am not the one killing innocent people. I have never gone out on the street looking for people from the North to harm over the flimsiest of excuse. I have never called anyone an infidel. So if you must direct your ire at any one it should be those people in the Northern part of the country who feel they are the lords and masters of those in the other parts. And certainly not me.I am proud of my cousin. He is my hero. He felt so strongly about the structural injustices in Nigeria and did something about it. Though he paid the ultimate price for that attempt, we consider him the best thing to happen to our family.
Picato I am sorry about your loss and please accept my sincere sympathies and condolences... I have similarly expressed my condolences and sympathies to families and friends who are bereaved as a result of the heinous criminal acts in the aftermath of Nigeria's presidential elections.
My reference to COUSIN was not in response to your cousin... that "my cousin or if you kill my cousin" is a term which I have used for over ten years in reference to internecine intractable crises in Nigeria and in the Middle East... to describe crises and cycles of killing and avenging of killings
Picato to ILN
Here is my use of the term in 2006 here at NVS, merely referring to "my cousin", as euphemism for killings and cycles of revenge
I Love Nigeria
Above is culled from a discussion in 2006 ... it was titled "Freedom of Expression Without Responsibility" http://nigeriavillagesquare.com/forum/main-square/3009-freedom-expression-without-responsibilty.html
Now I understand your context. I apologize for misunderstanding your reference. I like your steadfastness in your belief in the wholeness of Nigeria. I like the patriotism that drips from your words in these boards. It is rather unfortunate that my bones rankle at the thought of being born in that hugely mismatched country, Nigeria. My father bled for that country. So did my father in law. They were soldiers for Nigeria. However, before he died, he told me himself that the greatest mistake he ever made was to have fought for the unity of that country. He was a general. He brought us up to look at Nigeria for what it is. An empire set up by the British for the Fulah hegemonic people to lord it over the other parts of Nigeria through their minions the Hausa's and other across the country. All his life and in spite of the height he attained in the Army, his commanding officers were always of the Fulah stock or of their most pliable dominions the Hausa's. The Army is set up that way. So is the lopsided distribution of seats in the National Assembly to ensure that when there is any question of National importance; the world view of the North wins. And now there seems to be re-alignment in the polity. And now people are stripping away the myth from the facts, they are afraid and fighting back to perpetuate the injustices of the ages.
Picato..your No;9 post.
You assumed the Northern part of the country feel they are the lords and masters of those in the other parts.
Are we sure thats how they felt? Dont you think those guys are actually scared of the south smartness.
People who are hopeless and uncertain of thier future tend to damage that of others. (((The so called Witches senario))
They are threatening the south into believing that in the case of Broken Nigeria there could be real rebelion.
The threat is paying off all this long,,,,, our southern leaders are afraid of the likes of Isreal/Palistan crises in Nigeria.
South Republic of Nigeria would be the Isrealites and the North Republic of Nigeria, the Palestine. Life long Holy War.....
Picato wrote to ILN
I thank you for your intellectual honesty... uncommon sincerity and forthrightness. You have increased my respect and admiration for your contributions to every national issue debated here at NVS.
Additionally, I am deeply moved and touched by your loss and you family's experiences... and without any intent on my part to demean or devalue your painful experience as recounted by your good-self above... it bears mentioning again that your family's experience are quite identical or similar to my family's ( In other words, I deeply and keenly understand your pains and sorrows, not just as in an abstract or academic-intellectual concepts or level or as abstract matter) My family and I have endured these sordid situation personally and directly)!
You and I, and other Nigerians therefore, must ensure that our families have not suffered in vain... Have been killed in vain, so many Nigerians have been needlessly, senselessly murdered by fellow Nigerians, we should ensure bereavements are not in vain!
Hence in my comments yesterday (which were deleted by moderators) ... on the petition thread to withdraw NYSC members from the "North" or volatile spots/states, I had written to make the following suggestions:
1. Ensure arrests and prosecutions the criminals or culprits responsible for the carnage-rampages, to the fullest extents of Nigerian laws
2. Ensure monetary compensations and posthumous national awards to families and next of kins of murdered NYSC members during the presidential elections 2011
3. Ensure befitting burials for NYSC in our National Cemetery, Abuja with all military burial honors
4. Extoll their service in most ostentatious ways
Picato Once again, my sympathies and condolences.
And thank you for being honest, sincere, and magnanimous regarding our exchange here...
I have known mourning and bereavements in similar or identical circumstances in which you sadly find yourself
I share your pains and I understand your pains. Both in regard to bereavements and the our environment and the human condition in Nigeria which "permit" or make it possible for terrible things to happen, regularly and in mind-numbing frequency in occurrences ...
That is deep and worth quoting.
Oprah Winfrey always uses a saying that has formed part of my watchword in life and I paraphrase "we do what we think is right to do and when we know better, we do better"
May his soul rest in peace.
One of the greatest piece ever written by a Nigerian,
An excerpt from the ahiara declaration in 1969 by Odumegwu Ojukwu
History is vindicating you sir.
read the rest http://kwenu.com/biafra/ahiara_declaration.htm
does it ring true in 2011?
dr. ma good bruder, ojukwu was/is ahead of his time, awo saw just short term benefits...am angry!
~~Odumegwu Ojukwu 1969
One can't miss the similarity between what the Ikemba said in 1969 and what the brave Orkar group said in 1990, 21 years after.
Sad that in 2011, another 21 years after the failed Orkar coup the same truth still reverberates and some still choose to bury their heads in the sand and shout One Nigeria
One Nigeria my bakassi
maybe we should wait another 21 years
Of course we know our history!
But of course we know the consequences of past and the impact of all that on our current conditions...
What we now do with these knowledge will show the extent of our collective sense of what is right, just and equitable... and our place in history and our extent and quality of the human refinement we have attained - ILN
Harold Smith on colonial Britain's hidden agenda in Nigeria
Friday, 21 January 2011 18:10 administrator
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The man Harold Smith is not new in Nigerian history. He is one of the architects of the colonial foundation that led to Nigeria's independence in 1960. I met him in a meeting three weeks ago where he opened up a bit on lingering problems in Africa, especially Nigeria's unbalanced so-political relationship. We asked if he could make this known to the media. His response was "I am in my 80s now; I have agreed. In the past they' did not want me to say anything, but now I don't want to go to my grave without telling the truth about the atrocities perpetrated in Africa by the colonialists.
On a Ben TV programme last Thursday, Harold Smith spoke about what went on behind the scene before independence. The Oxford University graduate had this to say about his role in Nigeria's pre- and post-independence era. "Our agenda was to completely exploit Africa.
Nigeria was my duty post. When we assessed Nigeria, this was what we found in the southern region: strength, intelligence, a determination to succeed, well established history, complex but focused life styles, great hope and aspirations the East is good in business and technology, the West is good in administration and commerce, law and medicine, but it was a pity we planned our agenda to give power "at all costs" to (one region)... Our mission was accomplished by destroying the opposition on all fronts. The West led in the fight for independence, and was punished for asking for freedom".
Harold Smith justified the British agenda of colonialism in Nigeria, which he believed was originally to help build Africa after the ruins of slave trade, but lamented that the British only looked after themselves and not Nigerian interest. "The British really let Nigeria down. When I see Nigerians being accused of fraud and from what I saw on the streets of Lagos, the British were the worst fraudsters", he said.
He said the time has come now to see people of intelligent minds with an open and inclusive agenda for all Nigerians in power, people who will really look after Nigeria's large population. However, he added: "I still curiously and sorrowfully see now that the British have not let go of Nigeria, her wealth, her future".
He said that Caucasians now assert themselves as the keepers of the "New Age" keys, adding that it was "only logical for Europeans to maintain their position of power, scientific superiority, economic exploitation; they must continue to perpetuate their lies and falsehoods and this is the most unkind cut of all in relation to the Nigerian situation".
According to him, Nigeria, a great nation was crippled not because of military juntas or corrupt leaders alone but by the British and American fear of Nigeria's great future. He confessed, "The fear of the place that will be our dumping ground' really occupied our minds". Some of the things he said were not new to Nigerians or to the whole world but hearing it from the horse's mouth is quite revealing and established more reality zones. He submitted that the colonial masters did a lot of havoc while they were in Africa, and planted time bombs when they finally left. "What we have seen since independence is an administration of new internal colonial masters, fellow Nigerians doing more damage to Nigeria. Instead of detonating the time bombs planted by the British, it is planting mines".
He added that "It was my duty to carry out all of the above and I was loyal to my country. Nigerians should try to be loyal to their country leaders and followers alike. Love your country. You have got the potentials to be great again and the whole world knows this. I'm sorry for the evil done to Nigeria. I can't say sorry enough'. My people, this is a great "expo" what do you think???
He who has an ear should hear